• TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    It’s pretty rare for anyone to praise Biden on his own merits, especially on Lemmy. So maybe don’t get so irate because in comparison to trump, people praise him

    And yes you have every dog in this fight, the US is kinda fuckin important for global stability

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      The US is currently the world’s dominant Imperialist power, if “global stability” means extracting vast amounts of wealth from the global south then perhaps your idea of “global stability” needs to be reevaluated.

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        This is the laziest shit ever. It’s very convenient to say that things are as simple as that but they obviously aren’t.

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          I didn’t say things were simple. I said the US is the largest Imperialist power in the world, which is true, and suggested reevaluating your world view.

          The US is not holding onto hegemonic power for “stability,” nations can govern themselves just fine. The US is holding onto hegemonic power for profit.

          No, it’s absolutely not simple, but it is glaringly obvious that pretending the US is important on the global stage for “stability” is purely a western viewpoint that ignores the US’ contributions as a supporter of terrorism around the world whenever its profits are threatened.

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              What have I said makes me a tankie? Saying that the US is bad for the world, actually? That’s all forms of Leftism, whether they be Anarchist, Marxist, or so forth.

              If you’re just going to resort to Ad Hominem instead of defending your claims or addressing my counters to them, why even reply?

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                Any time someone wants to immediately move the conversation toward “us interests are evil” it’s pretty obvious there’s an agenda.

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                  What agenda do I have when you made the incredibly evil claim that the US is important for “global stability?” If you just walk through life making knee-jerk reactions every time someone points out something you said is wrong, rather than engaging with the points brought up, what do you hope to accomplish?

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                    Lol no I don’t waste time making arguments to most trolls, you’ve continued to demonstrate a complete lack of openness so yeah I won’t get sucked into your manifesto

                    “It’s incredibly evil to suggest the Middle East is not something we want to fuck around with, for the world’s sake” lmao

                    I’m sure this means to you that I supported all the US involvements there but you can save it. Literally nothing a tankie says matters

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      The guys who fund terrorists and dictatorships all over the world are important to global stability, but not in the way you think.

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          Who said Trump was good? Nobody in this thread, that’s for damn sure

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            They’re simping for him. They don’t need to state the obvious directly for me to notice it

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              Pointing out the facts about Biden is not “simping” for that pile of shit Trump. It’s like when someone criticizes Biden, we’re required to also provide a list of why Trump is bad.

              Have you seen the guy? He’s completely open about his quid pro quo corruption. He hired his entire family to positions of power because why not. He shared top secret documents like it was nothing, while hiding them at his shitty golf resort. He’s painfully fucking blatant and obvious about how shitty he is. We don’t need to supply a list of why he sucks because the dude is a cartoon supervillain. Trust me, when I talk about how shitty Genocide Joe is, I’m definitely not pushing for another 4 years of that asshole Trump.

              The reason we have to point things out about Biden is because a ton of otherwise smart people have fallen for this nonsense that he’s somehow good, when he’s nothing but a covert shill for corporations and war, just like every candidate has to be when they become the president of the United States. People like me are tired of the kindergarten-level “if you’re not voting for Biden, you’re voting for Trump” logic that we have to hear on repeat on a daily basis. Why can’t they both be shit? Why can’t it simply be a conversation of why democracy in the US is dead and the fact that we need some sort of political revolution or a goddamn miracle at this point?

              Making the assumption that we like A because we criticized B and vice versa is just stupid and dismissive. The world is not that black and white and everyone knows that. This kind of attitude is absolutely counterproductive to unhooking ourselves from these Groundhog Day elections every 4 years where we’re forced to pick from a right-winger or a right-winger.

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                  That’s reductive and defeatist as fuck. Third party candidates and parties exist. They don’t suddenly cease to exist simply because the 2 right-wing parties we’ve had forced upon us have gone out of their way to prevent them from participating. I don’t suddenly like Trump because I hate Biden and vice versa. I hate them both, just like I hate the fact that democracy in the US died years ago. Having to vote for 2 shades of fascism is not an actual valid choice and giving it merit is the equivalent of validating it as acceptable.

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                    Third party candidates and parties exist. They don’t suddenly cease to exist simply because the 2 right-wing parties we’ve had forced upon us have gone out of their way to prevent them from participating.

                    Ah yes, the great and amazing third parties of the US. In this corner we’ve got the Libertarians, aka the “republicans that like weed and dislike age of consent laws” party, and in the other corner we have the Green Party, aka the “pops up every election year to complain how both sides are bad, before promptly returning to the ether upon the elections conclusion” party.

                    Such good options, I truly don’t know why anyone wouldn’t want to vote for one of those two. /s

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                    When is the last time a third party got anywhere close to victory in a presidential election? I don’t think they’ve broken 7% of votes in decades and decades. There is zero indication that would change so what are you talking about?

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          Wtf? The guy who blew up the general who beat ISIS while he was on a peace mission in a third country? The guy who escalated the drone warfare across Iraq and Syria? Who escalated the trade war with China?

          No, America did not stop being an evil empire or start being good for global stability under Trump.