Seen some folks suggest Hamas deserves critical support because they’re the lesser of two evils by fighting imperialist/colonialist/western powers. Obviously a controversial take for many, though it doesn’t attribute Hamas as left wing. (Maybe relatively in the plainest sense imaginable?)
Otherwise I have also seen discussion on organizations like the PFLP apparently also fighting in Gaza right now: effectively(?) allied with Hamas. Understandably this works out to them being seen as supporting, if not a part of, Hamas. (Note: I am not sure of evidence of either coordination or fighting between them alike.)
I haven’t seen any calling Hamas as itself left wing, though. Maybe I can see how someone could interpret the above as furthering some leftist theory, or think that’s the argument at work?
Ah gotcha. Sorry I thought you were talking about some entity’s official position. I have no doubt that every comment on every topic on the spectrum exists in rando internet posts. Carry on.
Acknowledging that Hamas are a bunch of genocidal shitheads does not necessitate support of Israeli genocide, or the assertion that genocide is the only solution.
I’ve absolutely run into that more than once. There are constant excuses for Hamas and Palestine. Because people pick a side and then make everything black and white. Too many people don’t have room for nuance, and every discussion is about winning or losing.
I’ve had people argue against me who have actually moved my position slightly. You should be open to changing your mind, in whole or in part. Doesn’t mean you have to do it every time, but you are allowed to be wrong sometimes. It means you’re growing as a person.
The middle east is known as one of the most difficult situations of the last 75 years. There is no simple, good solution. There are no good guys. Most people in that entire area are angry, murderous bastards who don’t see the other side as human beings.
I don’t know how to solve that. If you think you do, you’re probably an idiot.
You don’t need to solve everything, and you don’t need to support good guys to believe that genocide needs to stop. You can just believe that even bad people don’t deserve to be murdered in their sleep as part of a collective punishment and land grab.
One of the problems is that yellow there isn’t a single guy. There’s a sunset that is actually just blue guy with a different name for sky-daddy.
The Israeli government is doing what Hamas wants the power to do. I wish fundamentalists of all types would just fuck off.
No, don’t worry, I’ve been assured that Hamas really are left-wing freedom fighters who just want to live in peace.
Interestingly, from both sides that;s the ONE idea I’ve never heard suggested by anyone.
Seen some folks suggest Hamas deserves critical support because they’re the lesser of two evils by fighting imperialist/colonialist/western powers. Obviously a controversial take for many, though it doesn’t attribute Hamas as left wing. (Maybe relatively in the plainest sense imaginable?)
Otherwise I have also seen discussion on organizations like the PFLP apparently also fighting in Gaza right now: effectively(?) allied with Hamas. Understandably this works out to them being seen as supporting, if not a part of, Hamas. (Note: I am not sure of evidence of either coordination or fighting between them alike.)
I haven’t seen any calling Hamas as itself left wing, though. Maybe I can see how someone could interpret the above as furthering some leftist theory, or think that’s the argument at work?
I can get you examples from Lemmy if you’re genuinely curious.
Ah gotcha. Sorry I thought you were talking about some entity’s official position. I have no doubt that every comment on every topic on the spectrum exists in rando internet posts. Carry on.
“If we don’t do it to them they’ll do it to us”
Acknowledging that Hamas are a bunch of genocidal shitheads does not necessitate support of Israeli genocide, or the assertion that genocide is the only solution.
And acknowledging Israel’s own roll in creating an environment that bread/necessitated violent resistance isn’t a defense of Hamas’ actions.
Glad we could clear that confusion!
No, when it turns into a defense of Hamas’ actions is when people start saying things like “October 7th was Legitimate Resistance™!”
I’m sure glad I don’t see anyone here using that ridiculous trademark
I’ve absolutely run into that more than once. There are constant excuses for Hamas and Palestine. Because people pick a side and then make everything black and white. Too many people don’t have room for nuance, and every discussion is about winning or losing.
I’ve had people argue against me who have actually moved my position slightly. You should be open to changing your mind, in whole or in part. Doesn’t mean you have to do it every time, but you are allowed to be wrong sometimes. It means you’re growing as a person.
The middle east is known as one of the most difficult situations of the last 75 years. There is no simple, good solution. There are no good guys. Most people in that entire area are angry, murderous bastards who don’t see the other side as human beings.
I don’t know how to solve that. If you think you do, you’re probably an idiot.
You don’t need to solve everything, and you don’t need to support good guys to believe that genocide needs to stop. You can just believe that even bad people don’t deserve to be murdered in their sleep as part of a collective punishment and land grab.
It must be nice to close your eyes and pretend nothing is wrong.