• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    7 months ago

    Why 2025?it’s reality right now under your guy! Don’t try to hide the failures of your system.

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      7 months ago

      Why 2025? Because you just delivered an entire tirade about your concerns for ‘the long term.’ I aim to highlight the immediate damage being inflicted today or within the next year. Interestingly, I prioritize the well-being of those currently affected by oppressive regimes and don’t perceive women as mere pawns to reach some hypothetical better future.

      You can’t advocate for ‘the long term’ selectively and then shift focus to ‘right now under your guy’ when it suits your argument.

      With that disingenuous move on your part, my rhetorical engagement here concludes. Have a pleasant day.

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        7 months ago

        The people in the 80s were making the same arguments as you about the “short term”. This inexorably led to genocides, climate apocalypse and abortion bans. Ergo, this “short-term thinking” is and has always been an abject failure. I claim that your approach is directly going to lead to more suffering for women and minorities and likely the death of billions from climate disasters.

        To protect these people the answer is to ignore vote and go and do literally anything else for social change.

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          7 months ago

          cite ur source that identifies these parallels and ill change my position. im not here to “defend short term thinking”, im here to defend the rights of human beings. so a subtle difference there.

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            7 months ago

            Did US have abortion bans and was funding genocides back then? Are they doing those right now? Did people vote in the interim years? This is not nuclear science my guy. I can go back as much as you want and we can see how much progress was made through voting, or through activism, unions and making those in power scared shitless.