Honestly it really does seem like he was way too optimistic about how fucking horrible conservatives are, and how much of their ideology is simply about being able to hurt others for no other reason than enjoyment.
It’s getting pretty bad everywhere; in Finland we have multiple literal neo-Nazis in the current government, for example.
You missed the point. Fascism doesn’t arrive looking like Nazis. But it eventually starts to look like them. The German people during WWII weren’t unaware of the mass transport and concentration camps. They knew, but by that time they were either conditioned to support it or feel unable to do anything to stop it.
Rosen’s quote, then. Must not be interpreted as in, fascism just arrived to the US proposing these horrible things. As most of the world will tell you, fascism installed in the US as early as the XIX century. The Nazis took cues from the US actions to create their extermination programs. It’s just that the US hadn’t started their full metamorphosis in full until the 80’s. It was always focused against particular groups of individuals or specific outsiders, and was very slow with their own people unless they belong to a marginalized community. It’s just now that they openly promote the atrocities, but they have been doing them for two centuries. But most people were blind to them, because fascism arrives as your friend.
fascism installed in the US as early as the XIX century.
There’s some debate over the history of fascism but fascism was not “installed” in the US in the 19th century; it was barely even making inroads in Europe, its birthplace.
The Nazis took cues from the US actions to create their extermination programs. It’s just that the US hadn’t started their full metamorphosis in full until the 80’s
Yes, but that doesn’t mean that the US was fascist. The US genocide of indigenous peoples was not a fascist project, it was a colonial one. You seem to be of the opinion that committing atrocities is fascist and fascism is committing atrocities, which is understandable given that fascism inevitably leads to brutality. But for example, I’d hardly call FDR a fascist, but he put Asian Americans in concentration camps and (while knowing about the holocaust) refused entry to Jewish refugees. Likewise, Japan looked to US for inspiration for its expansionism, but Japan wasn’t fascist: it was imperial.
I do think Rosen is mistaken, or at least this quote is misleading on this part. The Nazis were talking about exterminating Jews before they got into power. But they were also focusing hard on the “friendly” points and downplaying the uglier ones whenever dealing with moderate audiences.
The leader of the opposition, and several of his party members were found cohorting and publicly hanging out with neo-nazi’s and insurrectionists.
They then paraded their only token Jewish MP in the party to get up in parliament and claim that the CPC can’t be nazi’s / racist since She’s a Jew. (Meanwhile, I’m from her community, and her community HATES her for being a violence spewing anti-nonjew asshole, who has been encouraging Jewish parents to arm themselves against the islam/palestinian threats to their children in Canada). the fact that a Jewish person seems perfectly ok to ignore and lie about her own party members meeting with NeoNazi’s should tell you that for her, it’s about power and she’s willing to use our heritage for that power.
Seriously: Look up MP Melissa Lantsman history. She’s one of the most Vile human beings I’ve sadly met.
Maybe, and I for certain people I totally agree. But I also think certain media outlets work really hard to make sure their audience is afraid of nearly everything. Because of that, these folks are in constant fight-or-flight mode and ready to kick, punch, or shove anything and everything that makes them feel slightly uncomfortable.
Looking at the US right now, I think Mr. Rosen misjudged that last part.
Honestly it really does seem like he was way too optimistic about how fucking horrible conservatives are, and how much of their ideology is simply about being able to hurt others for no other reason than enjoyment.
It’s getting pretty bad everywhere; in Finland we have multiple literal neo-Nazis in the current government, for example.
You missed the point. Fascism doesn’t arrive looking like Nazis. But it eventually starts to look like them. The German people during WWII weren’t unaware of the mass transport and concentration camps. They knew, but by that time they were either conditioned to support it or feel unable to do anything to stop it.
Rosen’s quote, then. Must not be interpreted as in, fascism just arrived to the US proposing these horrible things. As most of the world will tell you, fascism installed in the US as early as the XIX century. The Nazis took cues from the US actions to create their extermination programs. It’s just that the US hadn’t started their full metamorphosis in full until the 80’s. It was always focused against particular groups of individuals or specific outsiders, and was very slow with their own people unless they belong to a marginalized community. It’s just now that they openly promote the atrocities, but they have been doing them for two centuries. But most people were blind to them, because fascism arrives as your friend.
I can read you know. I didn’t miss the point, I disagreed with it
There’s some debate over the history of fascism but fascism was not “installed” in the US in the 19th century; it was barely even making inroads in Europe, its birthplace.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean that the US was fascist. The US genocide of indigenous peoples was not a fascist project, it was a colonial one. You seem to be of the opinion that committing atrocities is fascist and fascism is committing atrocities, which is understandable given that fascism inevitably leads to brutality. But for example, I’d hardly call FDR a fascist, but he put Asian Americans in concentration camps and (while knowing about the holocaust) refused entry to Jewish refugees. Likewise, Japan looked to US for inspiration for its expansionism, but Japan wasn’t fascist: it was imperial.
I do think Rosen is mistaken, or at least this quote is misleading on this part. The Nazis were talking about exterminating Jews before they got into power. But they were also focusing hard on the “friendly” points and downplaying the uglier ones whenever dealing with moderate audiences.
Yup. here too in Canada.
The leader of the opposition, and several of his party members were found cohorting and publicly hanging out with neo-nazi’s and insurrectionists.
They then paraded their only token Jewish MP in the party to get up in parliament and claim that the CPC can’t be nazi’s / racist since She’s a Jew. (Meanwhile, I’m from her community, and her community HATES her for being a violence spewing anti-nonjew asshole, who has been encouraging Jewish parents to arm themselves against the islam/palestinian threats to their children in Canada). the fact that a Jewish person seems perfectly ok to ignore and lie about her own party members meeting with NeoNazi’s should tell you that for her, it’s about power and she’s willing to use our heritage for that power.
Seriously: Look up MP Melissa Lantsman history. She’s one of the most Vile human beings I’ve sadly met.
Yeah: the (increasingly non-moderate) Republican base eats that up - they want to hurt people.
Yep, same here in Finland too.
Moderate conservatives don’t really exist anymore, if they ever did. Seems like reich-wingers have just been waiting for an excuse to go full fash
They’re called liberals now in the USA. And many aren’t moderate.
Yeah, the Centre Party here has been hemorrhaging voters to a right wing extremist party that has several actual neo-Nazis in it
And the CPC in Canada is licking their chops and trying to copy them
Maybe, and I for certain people I totally agree. But I also think certain media outlets work really hard to make sure their audience is afraid of nearly everything. Because of that, these folks are in constant fight-or-flight mode and ready to kick, punch, or shove anything and everything that makes them feel slightly uncomfortable.
I totally agree, but that’s not freedom of speech. Accredited news outlets are required by law to provide the truth. They can be sanctioned, or charged with libel or slander.