Hi, I’m a beginner who just started learning the F barre chord.

I can’t get string 1 and 2 to ring clearly without applying insane force. Hmm I guess I have to just keep practicing until I can make it ring clearly without much effort.

How was your F barre chord journey? I’m sure experienced players here can enlighten my path.

  • Nemo Wuming@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I practiced my f barre for a few months and it was so difficult that I took a break from guitar for a while. Then I played it on someone else’s guitar and it was easy.

    That’s how I learned the action on my guitar was too high. A setup by a luthier fixed that.

  • Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    You’ll be surprised how little force you’ll be using later on versus what you’re using now. Things will get more and more efficient as your technique improves. But until then, someone else here suggested rolling your barre finger back a bit so you’re fretting the barre more with the side of your finger. That’s good advice as the side of your finger is a bit bonier, and the strings can’t get lost in the creases at your finger joints as easily. Another thing that helps is instead of squeezing so much with your hand, pull back on the neck with your whole arm and use some of those larger muscle groups to apply pressure to the fretboard. Some people use a sort of downward version of that where you use the weight of your arm to add pressure in a down and back direction.

    One thing to keep in mind which may help is that you don’t need to hold your barre across all six strings. Your other fingers are covering the A, D, and G strings, so you only need to focus your barre on the E, B, and e strings. And when all else fails you can consult Uncle Ben .

  • TheIvoryTower@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Gets a little easier, but I still have to concentrate to make it sound clear to this day (20+ years later), but its much easier on the electric than on the classical guitar I learned on.

  • barkingspiders@infosec.pub
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    9 months ago

    I’m a couple years into my acoustic guitar journey and it’s still very much a stickler for me.

    Something that massively helped was a friend mentioning I should make sure my guitar was “set up”. I took it into a guitar shop and asked and it turns out that on brand new guitars there are often some small adjustments to the neck, bridges and frets that can really improve how hard you have to press for the note. Guitars may warp slightly over time as well depending on their storage, climate etc… so sometimes tweaking can be needed later in it’s life. And some people prefer certain tweaks, lower versus higher action. So even if you guitar isn’t new it might still need some tweaking for you.

    I’d never heard anyone mention it before my friend did (and not much since) and it made a big difference in my case. I went from slightly dreading my practice sessions to feeling much more enthusiastic. It was just that much easier to play. Might be worth asking about. No idea if it really applies on electric if that’s what you’re playing.

    Best of luck, I’ve had a fun ride so far and I hope yours is too!

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    9 months ago

    It gets easier. For me the correct positioning of the thumb on (back of) the neck reduced the needed force drastically.

  • offthecrossbar@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    I remember learning to play this stupid chord for a couple of months. How I used to look up my favorite songs and pray there was no F in there! It really was just a matter of practice until they became natural and now, they’re probably the chord shape I play the most since they’re movable!

    I’ll echo the advice from some others in this thread.

    1. Getting your thumb in the right position to support your index finger takes a lot of the stress and fatigue off your hand
    2. rolling that index finger a bit more to the side lets you use the straighter and bonier part of the finger so it’s easier to keep the pressure applied to where you need it (which is really only 3 strings)

    Good luck! Eventually when it clicks you won’t even think about it anymore ☺️

    • Chonk@lemmy.worldOP
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      9 months ago

      “Looking for songs without an F”, yeah that’s literally me right now.

      Thank you and everyone else here for the advice.

      I remember that A open chord was once impossible for me but now it just feels natural. I’ll update this post once I can say the same for F barre chord. Probably in a year or so 🙂.

  • 7uWqKj@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    The F chord (like other bar chords) became a lot easier for me once I realised that I don’t have to press down six strings with the index finger, only three.

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    9 months ago

    Everyone feels this way. For me, positioning my thumb and holding the guitar neck closer to 45 degrees made this cord (and almost everything else) much easier. When you are struggling, it can also mean that your hand muscles are getting tired. Take a break and come back to build up strength.

  • DONT_PM_ME_NUDEZ@lemmy.world
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    It’s a pain in the ass for sure. I got a lot better by playing F# or G cleanly and easily then transitioning down to F. I did a few strums on each back and forth while watching TV. After doing that for a few weeks I was able to play F much better.

    I still flub it if I haven’t played it for too long but it comes back fairly quickly.

  • bitwaba@lemmy.world
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    It’s different for everyone (different hand shapes and sizes), but what worked for me was rolling my wrist towards my thumb so that the side of my index finger is what was pressing down on the fretboard instead of the bottom of my finger. It’s not roatated that much. Like, if your fingernail is 12 o’clock and the pad of your finger tip is 6 o’clock, I rotate my hand enough to press down on the fretboard with with about the 7:30 part of my finger.

    Also remember you only need to make contact with the fretboard where those strings play. So just 1, 2, and 6. You don’t need the middle 3rd of your finger to press down. So arcing your finger helps a lot. You need a strong press with the bottom 3rd of the finger, and strong press with the top 3rd / tip.

  • Leviathan@lemmy.world
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    I put my hand in position adjusting until all the strings rang and held it for 30 seconds at a time making sure the strings kept ringing true throughout the exercise. Then practiced jumping from other chords with a metronome faster and faster until it just became another chord.

    It’s more of a muscle memory and tendon strength thing and tendons take a lot longer to strengthen than muscles.

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    9 months ago

    i avoided playing songs with it but then i saw taylor swift play the ““cheater”” version (x33210) and now enjoy playing the chord

    • Leviathan@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      I believe the cheaty version is either (x3321x) or (x33211) or else you’re throwing a maj 7th on there.

  • DaleGribble88@programming.dev
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    9 months ago

    The slight roll to your finger that others have mentioned sounds like pretty good advice to me. I’d also try playing songs that you are already comfortable with in a barred position. For example, playing a classic I-IV-V progression (like G, C, & D or A, D, & E) at the 3rd and 5th fret. There is much less resistance at that part of the neck, and it pulls your hand in closer which can straighten our the muscles in your arm a bit if you have a smaller frame; this makes for less stress for your muscles across your list and the base of your thumb. So, while you develop the technique with less factors fighting against you, you can focus just on that technique, and not on learning a new song, or really feeling like you are having to work on something completely new - just different - which can make for a better mindset as well.

  • RonnieB@lemmy.world
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    I wish I knew at the time that a good amount of pressure should come from pulling back at the shoulder of the fretting arm, bracing the guitar body with your strumming arm chicken wing. You can practice this by fretting the F without your thumb on the back.

    Also, you could try to play the A barre chord at the 5th fret with the same shape as the F barre on the first fret. Will help build some strength