I think another issue is that Tesla isn’t seen as an innovator in the EV market or even the automotive industry as a whole anymore. There’s also the production quality issues. Musk doesn’t seem to be spending enough attention on solving even these issues over the years.
If the Tesla Semi-Trucks fail (and I think that they probably will fail after the initial orders are met) Tesla is going to have a serious problem if Musk remains at the helm and at least the big investors are probably thinking the same thing. It’ll just be another Cybertruck fiasco.
I suppose it could also be argued that Musk tends to say things that may alienate his demographic while embracing those that are more likely to want to drive rolling coal modded trucks but I think that’s just a smaller piece to the bigger problem. Another piece is probably that people are starting to see that he isn’t some genius.
tldr;
The big problem, I think, is that people just don’t trust Tesla and they don’t want to pay a premium for shit quality EVs that have nothing to really write home about versus the competition and Musk just doesn’t seem to be trying to put a lot of energy into solving that.
And with every brand in Europe and Asia now having quality EV models going the whole spectrum of sizes, Teslas just don’t compete by anything other than its name anymore. And with better long term respected brands being available as EVs and Musk taking Teslas reputation down with him, only die hard Musk simps will still buy Tesla.
I’ll soon be in the market for an EV, and I wish what you’re saying we’re true.
Other brands are more expensive, and their base price can barely compete with a tesla, but their options pricing is ridiculous.
There’s LOTS of teslas where I live because it’s the best bang for your buck right now as far as EV comes.
I dislike Musk as much as anyone else around here, but the companies he fronts have met lots of success, I guess because there are lots of very competent people actually running them (i.e. Gwynne Shotwell for SpaceX)
They certainly have plenty of lofty ambitions but have spectacularly failed to deliver on any of them ever since the Model Y launch. It’s fair to assume that a lot of that is due to the CEO piddling away his time in idiotic culture wars rather than do his actual job. Having said that, I think at this point Musk’s brain has completely turned to mush from all the drugs, so even if he tried, he wouldn’t be much use.
I don’t think it’s the drugs. I don’t think they help, but I know intelligent and wise drug users. I think the problem is much more social. He wasn’t good at people before becoming rich and became so wealthy he doesn’t need to if he shuts up, but he like most members of our species does have a psychological need to be liked by others, add in social media addiction and confirmation bias and you’ve got him going the way of notch.
Almoat every car maker out there makes constant changes to their products, releasing new editions or overhauls of existing cars year over year. Some smaller car companies, like luxury or hyper car makers, may take a few years between new models. Tesla is the only car company that is using the same hardware and designs from over a decade ago. Phones have evolved more than Tesla designs, and that shit hasn’t significantly changed since touchscreens emerged.
And that’s just their cars. Electrical systems like solar tiles and on-site battery systems are the same as when they were released, with the exception of Power Wall getting a lateral update between Power wall 2 and 3.
Tesla is devoid of innovation and has given up on QA to sell as much as they can before the company is considered obsolete and irrelevant.
I think another issue is that Tesla isn’t seen as an innovator in the EV market or even the automotive industry as a whole anymore. There’s also the production quality issues. Musk doesn’t seem to be spending enough attention on solving even these issues over the years.
If the Tesla Semi-Trucks fail (and I think that they probably will fail after the initial orders are met) Tesla is going to have a serious problem if Musk remains at the helm and at least the big investors are probably thinking the same thing. It’ll just be another Cybertruck fiasco.
I suppose it could also be argued that Musk tends to say things that may alienate his demographic while embracing those that are more likely to want to drive rolling coal modded trucks but I think that’s just a smaller piece to the bigger problem. Another piece is probably that people are starting to see that he isn’t some genius.
tldr;
The big problem, I think, is that people just don’t trust Tesla and they don’t want to pay a premium for shit quality EVs that have nothing to really write home about versus the competition and Musk just doesn’t seem to be trying to put a lot of energy into solving that.
You’re paying Mercedes prices for Lada tier QA.
And with every brand in Europe and Asia now having quality EV models going the whole spectrum of sizes, Teslas just don’t compete by anything other than its name anymore. And with better long term respected brands being available as EVs and Musk taking Teslas reputation down with him, only die hard Musk simps will still buy Tesla.
I’ll soon be in the market for an EV, and I wish what you’re saying we’re true.
Other brands are more expensive, and their base price can barely compete with a tesla, but their options pricing is ridiculous.
There’s LOTS of teslas where I live because it’s the best bang for your buck right now as far as EV comes.
I dislike Musk as much as anyone else around here, but the companies he fronts have met lots of success, I guess because there are lots of very competent people actually running them (i.e. Gwynne Shotwell for SpaceX)
If I want to buy an EV that might have reliability and QC issues Ill buy a chinese one for 1/3 of the price.
Look up “tofu dregs” and see what issues Chinese EVs are having. I wouldn’t wanna park near one.
I know the feeling. There’s no way I’d buy anything from the Chinese. TV’s, microwaves, phones, computers…
I sure wouldn’t want to either. Unlike with vehicles or real estate, such products often leave no other choice.
From what I hear, the Chinese now build EV cars with far fewer QC issues than Tesla…
They certainly have plenty of lofty ambitions but have spectacularly failed to deliver on any of them ever since the Model Y launch. It’s fair to assume that a lot of that is due to the CEO piddling away his time in idiotic culture wars rather than do his actual job. Having said that, I think at this point Musk’s brain has completely turned to mush from all the drugs, so even if he tried, he wouldn’t be much use.
I don’t think it’s the drugs. I don’t think they help, but I know intelligent and wise drug users. I think the problem is much more social. He wasn’t good at people before becoming rich and became so wealthy he doesn’t need to if he shuts up, but he like most members of our species does have a psychological need to be liked by others, add in social media addiction and confirmation bias and you’ve got him going the way of notch.
“Don’t want to be my friend? Fine, I’ll buy some new ones. Checkmate.”
Almoat every car maker out there makes constant changes to their products, releasing new editions or overhauls of existing cars year over year. Some smaller car companies, like luxury or hyper car makers, may take a few years between new models. Tesla is the only car company that is using the same hardware and designs from over a decade ago. Phones have evolved more than Tesla designs, and that shit hasn’t significantly changed since touchscreens emerged.
And that’s just their cars. Electrical systems like solar tiles and on-site battery systems are the same as when they were released, with the exception of Power Wall getting a lateral update between Power wall 2 and 3.
Tesla is devoid of innovation and has given up on QA to sell as much as they can before the company is considered obsolete and irrelevant.
Most people are tribal, and some don’t want to be associated with an overgrown 15 year old edgelord Nazi.