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    Could it be that becoming wealthy in a non-capitalist state is generally done through means you’d prefer remained under the radar?

    Edit: Whoah, whoah, whoah. Comrades, you’re missing a clearly mentioned key point. Obviously in a capitalist state you do the same things but don’t have to fly under the radar. Fuck everyone else and get away with it, woooooo! It’s totally normal. You…didn’t understand the part about them trying to leave China too, huh? Well, the aforementioned is a fairly obvious reason for that.

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      And in capitalist ones too. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a company that wasn’t doing illegal shit under the table.

      Reminder that the most common form of theft in both quantity and total amount is wage violations (mostly unpaid overtime)

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      I’ve got some news for you about capitalist states.

      (and a great excuse to post a snippet of a recent favorite album)

       

      So You want to be a millionaire, my bad I mean billionaire

      Well hello welcome to the slave trade

      Cause exploitation is how Fortunes are made

      In your device are minerals from very very far away

      Your charmed life and mine are the same cause in mines when it swang

      Dark people Hang from the bottom of Supply chains

      It gets worse like no treatment for a cancer

      Like all societies before us we don’t have the answers

      The cotton gins and plows became huge excavators

      Now slaves dig for batteries for phones and pacemakers

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYQKbi67cow

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      How do you think people become wealthy in a capitalist state? Not, “I can afford a vacation home” wealthy, but “I can afford a private jet and a private pilot” wealthy.

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            8 months ago

            Really?

            A 75-year old Marxist-Leninist republic led by the Chinese Communist Party founded by Mao motherfucking Zedong sounds capitalist to you?

            Pol Pot would blush.

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                Random unrelated question, but okay…

                As everyone knows, the Nazi party was ultra nationalist. However, like every other country involved in the war, it had socialist values.

                Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics.

                And to quote Hitler himself on the matter…

                “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

                Though, I think it goes without saying that was all in effort of totalitarianism.

                Despite being anti-Marxist and fighting the uprising of communism as well, an ultra nationalist party is going to have socialist values. A big part of nationalism is that your “legitimate” nationals benefit first and foremost without the exploitation of outsider nations, their companies, and their people—hence all the racism and anti-Semitism.

                I think maybe you have your own idea of what socialism is and can’t fathom how it can exist in capitalist, communist, and nationalist environments. Pretty much every country involved in WW2 relied on socialism to have their nations survive, whilst their political motives were entirely contrasted.

                But this is entirely unrelated to what we were talking about. Maybe you know ‘Socialist’ was in the Nazi Party name, but because you don’t know why, you thought it’d be a “Got 'em!” moment. Who knows what that brain’s thinking at this point.

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                  Yeah I was clearly making fun of you for thinking the ccp wasn’t capitalist. Thanks for really hammering my point home by actually believing that the Nazis were socialist lol.

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                    Ah, I see. Workers rights, social welfare, universal healthcare and education systems, disestablishment of capitalist exploitation on citizens, gun control, and women’s freedoms isn’t socialist. Got it 👍

                    Thanks for sharing your big brain wisdom with me. Now go tell everyone of this pinicale perspective of yours. The world must know!