• GeneralVincent@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Most people understand that. But I don’t want to be associated with Putin even as a joke. Fuck him, he doesn’t deserve the honor of even being depicted as gay.

    I’m not saying no one can make this joke, but it seems kinda lazy and relies too much on stereotypes to be funny imo

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      3 months ago

      It’s not lazy and it’s not supposed to be funny. The point is that he doesn’t like the image. It’s a big fuck you to Putin.

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        3 months ago

        Again, I understand the point is that he doesn’t like the image. My point is that there is more than one way to interpret the image, and they’re not all positive. And when some one points that out, they’re downvoted and mocked.

        I say it’s lazy because I’ve been hearing people call straight people gay since elementary school. To piss them off. I don’t see how this is much different even if the intent was to criticize his homophobia. The effect is still the same

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          3 months ago

          Also makes your question how accepted LGBT people actually are in the West, even among “liberals”, if this is what they think an insult is.

          It reads as “Being gay is fine and good so long as you support our positions; but the minute you start opposing us, we will use your sexual identity as a weapon against you. Remember that.”

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        3 months ago

        He doesn’t care about the image, and it is incredibly delusional to pretend that such a depiction has any significance to anyone but terminally online and chronically underemployed white Americans under 40.

        Also, it is homophobic. If there is nothing wrong with being gay and crossdressing, then it is bigoted to portray our enemies as such as an insult.

        Being gay isn’t an insult. Crossdressing isn’t an insult. Being trans isn’t an insult. Depicting Putin as such isn’t an insult.

        All this does is further stigma against LGBT persons in the West. Is that your goal? Because that’s what is being done. And, ironically, it serves to further a goal that Putin supports - the increased stigmatization of LGBT life. You’re doing his work for him and are too narrow-minded to even realize it

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      3 months ago

      The humour hits when you imagine how pissed off Putin would be about this image. Then you get to laugh again at his feeble attempt to ban an image on the intent when you learn about that part.

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        3 months ago

        Yeah I can see how that’s funny. And I get the irony of the picture. I personally think it’s not in good taste, but I’m not trying to yuck anyone’s yum or cancel someone’s humor. Just explain why some of us don’t like it and try to understand why so many people downvoted the original person who disagreed.

        It really seems to be getting more divisive and less welcoming on Lemmy the longer I’m here

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          3 months ago

          It really seems to be getting more divisive and less welcoming on Lemmy the longer I’m here

          Never tolerate intolerance.
          If you don’t like people making fun of a dictator on a massive killing/kidnapping spree, this place is most definitely not for you…

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            3 months ago

            What?? That’s the weirdest way to twist my words I’ve seen. Please, make fun of him. I don’t tolerate his bigotry.

            I’m saying there are good ways and bad ways to make fun of him. Some people, including me, think this isn’t the best way to do it. Some people think it is. But yeah, maybe this place isn’t for me. It’s becoming too much like reddit imo

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            3 months ago

            Theyre using homophobia to mock a dictator. Which is still homophobia.

            Using racism to depict Xi as a stereotypical Chinaman would still be racism, even if he is a dictator. Using antisemitic caricatures to depict Netanyahu as inherently untrustworthy would be antisemitic even if he is running a genocide with US weapons.

            Stereotypes and slurs don’t become acceptable just because they’re used against our enemies. This image of Putin should be banned and any posts containing it should be removed under hate speech and anti-homophobia rules

    • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Sharing a sexuality doesn’t associate you with him any more than sharing a hair color or preference of fabric softener

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        But that’s the thing, I’m not sharing a sexuality with him. Someone made him look like a gay stereotype because he hates people like me.

        And the whole point is the picture IS to associate him with the LGBT+ community, in an ironic way, to piss him off.

        If he made being blonde illegal and threw blondes in jail, that would be a fair analogy. But he didn’t, so that’s a terrible analogy. I mean, there are people that discriminate based on appearance and they’re called racists. So if this was a picture of Trump but photoshopped to look stereotypically Chinese, maybe that would be more of an equivalent analogy