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    8 months ago

    And when those things are implemented, efforts to roll those solutions back constitutes “Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group”. And the right definitely advocates killing trans and gay people, as a component of genocide.

    Using the definition you supplied

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    How are trans or gay people a nation, ethnic, racial, or religious group? They are not.

    As such, by your own definition, there is no genocide.

    he left’s response is to alleviate the problems associated with being trans and gay through medical intervention as necessary or even desired and normalizing the not-strange behavior.

    Medical intervention is legal in this country. The only limits are around children, which is consistent with the medical studies. You should trust the science. It is why Sweden put restrictions on children since the evidence isn’t there.

    And the right definitely advocates killing trans and gay people, as a component of genocide. No they don’t. Even if they did, per your own definition, trans people don’t fit the definition required for genocide. I always hear people scream the right is killing trans people, but I have yet to see the camps.

    Comparing the two just trivializes a real genocide. The holocaust was a genocide. The Holodomor was a genocide. Having someone misgender you is not genocide. It’s rude but it is not a genocide.

    That’s a legitimate violation of free speech. If someone thought that my use of the word genocide was applied incorrectly in this very response could lead to my imprisonment. That’s nonsense.

    Yet, the left wants to control speech. Ironic isn’t it? They just want to use words incorrectly to appear to be the victims. If the government tried to round up all the gay and trans people to gas them, I would be one of the first people to stand up to stop that. Until that days comes, we need to stop calling it a genocide as it enforces how nutty the left has become and it is offensive to people who have experienced real genocides.

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      8 months ago

      How are trans or gay people a nation, ethnic, racial, or religious group?

      An ethnicity is a group of people united by culture (among other things) and, LGBTQ+ is definitely a type of culture.

      Comparing the two just trivializes a real genocide.

      Your conception enforces one particular manifestation of genocide. In contrast, the convention says that genocide is either every element of the definition or part of it. In other words, doing everything except killing trans people is still genocide (according to the internationally legal definition anyway).

      Someone misgendering someone arguably would constitute genocide if there were a concerted effort of assholes to intentionally cause mental harm to the misgendered people. I don’t think that’s the case. I think people are individually assholes and intentionally misgender people regardless of the mental harm it causes.

      Yet, the left wants to control speech. Ironic isn’t it? They just want to use words incorrectly to appear to be the victims. If the government tried to round up all the gay and trans people to gas them, I would be one of the first people to stand up to stop that. Until that days comes, we need to stop calling it a genocide as it enforces how nutty the left has become and it is offensive to people who have experienced real genocides.

      Let’s agree that everyone wants to control speech just in different ways. You want words to be used “correctly”, whatever that means. The left wants to expand or restrict what other words mean for various reasons. Xi doesn’t like being called Pooh. Whatever. What matters is that calling for genocide should be worth imprisonment.

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        8 months ago

        An ethnicity is a group of people united by culture (among other things) and, LGBTQ+ is definitely a type of culture.

        The Nazis were a culture, was denazification a genocide?

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        An ethnicity is a group of people united by culture (among other things) and, LGBTQ+ is definitely a type of culture.

        No, while there is a subculture, they are not an ethnic group. Thus using the term of offensive to people who have been part of genocide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity

        he left wants to expand or restrict what other words mean for various reasons.

        This was converted in 1984. We call it New Speak.

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          8 months ago

          Which part of your link were you proposing supported your stance? Reading it, it seems to say the opposite of what you are suggesting.

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            8 months ago

            It does not. Show my why official US document that shows ethnicity with a selection of gay.

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                8 months ago

                You’re making the claim that transgender is an ethnicity. I have never seen it used that way in any way. An official document is easy way to prove your position

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                  Showing you US documents doesn’t make it clear what part of your link made you think it supported your stance. It’s a distraction.

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                    Where in the link does it show trans gender is an ethnicity? Nowhere. Nothing zero. Zilch