Israel will push on with its offensive against Hamas, including into the southern Gaza city of Rafah, despite growing international pressure to stop, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday.

Netanyahu has vowed to destroy Hamas after its fighters attacked southern Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people and abducting 253, according to Israeli tallies. More than 30,000 people have been killed in Gaza during Israel’s subsequent offensive, Palestinian health authorities estimate, prompting worldwide criticism and condemnation.

“There is international pressure and it’s growing, but particularly when the international pressure rises, we must close ranks, we need to stand together against the attempts to stop the war,” he said.

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  • Crass Spektakel@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I have a serious question!

    What could Hamas do to end this blood sheet?

    What could the Gazans do to end this blood sheet?

    Please answer seriously. I am not asking for what anyone else could do. That has been discussed to exhaustion. I want to hear the options of the two mentioned. No one else.

    • ShepherdPie@midwest.social
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      9 months ago

      Nothing because the people doing the murdering are the people self-determining who is and isn’t a “hamas soldier.”

      • Crass Spektakel@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Hamas has no soldiers because they don’t qualify for the Geneva definition of a soldier. For example they usually operate disguised as civilians which makes them unlawful.

        They do qualify as “armed unlawful combatants” though. “Unlawful” means they don’t fall under the rules of war but under civilian Israeli law.

        And to realize who is an armed combatant it is enough seeing he carries a weapon and then they are legit targets. If someone picks up his weapon he becomes the next legit target. And so on. The unarmed combatants - yes, those exist by the Geneva defintion too - are also legit targets although with more caveats. Overall it is a reliable way to get killed while holding a weapon. Much less if you drop it.

        Just because came with a knife to a gun fight doesn’t mean you have extra rights.

        And one more question, after all this guilt-mongering I would like to hear what options Hamas has to end the conflict.

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      I’m not sure what they can do when peaceful protests are responded to with live ammo and the Two State Solution has been wielded by Israel only as far as further annexation and denial of human rights for Palestinians. Hamas has been for a permanent ceasefire for months. It’s kind of like asking what the Jewish people in the Warsaw Ghettos could do to end the bloodshed when Nazi Germany was cracking down after the uprising.

      Israel does hold all the power as the occupying force. This is a genocide. To Israel, Palestinians are subhuman animals. We need a lot of international pressure, and hopefully more internal pressure from Israelis, to get Israel to stop its ethnic cleansing campaigns.

      • Crass Spektakel@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        About the attitude of Hamas:

        https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/why-the-jlots-wont-work-in-gaza

        The “ceasefire” by Hamas looks like that they are still shooting 100 rockets per day at Israelian civilians. Not to mention the more than 1000 people they killed last year alone. In 2023 they shot 23.000 rockets and grenades at Israel - actually most of them BEFORE the October attacks. That is a typical Hamas-Ceasefire.

        To Israel, Palestinians are subhuman animals.

        The only one who called them subhuman animals is actually… you. Very interesting, indeed.

        And btw, can you tell me what HAMAS could do to end the war?

        • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldOP
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          9 months ago

          “We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly,” “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza,” “There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything will be closed.”

          • Defense Minister Yoav Gallant

          “They are not human beings and not even human animals, they are subhuman and that is how they should be treated,”

          • Jerusalem Deputy Mayor

          If you look at that link you’ll find documentation encompassing over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, and journalists.

          You think Hamas would be the one to attack humanitarian aid and food for the Palestinians in Gaza? Israel has been the one responsible for the conditions in Gaza due to the blockade that it internationally recognized as an occupation.

          Do you know what peace looks like under Israel as your occupier?

          Over 4500 new settlements, dozens of Palestinian towns attacked in pogroms, thousands of Palestinian homes demolished, over a hundred Palestinian children held in Israeli Prisons.

          In Gaza, thousands of homes hit by Israeli bombs, over half of Palestinians live under the poverty line, hundreds of buildings hit by rocket fire, 45% unemployment, no electricity 12 hours a day, 70% of requested medical goods denied, over 800 palestinians died by being denied travel for medical care, 80% of children suffer from PTSD, over 80% rely on international aid. 2023 was the deadliest year for children in Palestine, over 47 children were killed (over 2,280 children since 2000) by Israel, before Oct 7th.

          Year before Oct 7 - Jewish Voice for Peace

          2023 is ‘deadliest year’ for Palestinian children say human rights groups

          HRW Events of 2022

          HRW Events of 2023

          Over the last five months we’ve witnessed more than 30,600 Palestinians killed, more than 12,300 children and 6,300 women killed by Israel. With more than 70,000 injured and 99 Journalists killed.

          We’ve seen over 360,000 homes destroyed. Nearly 400 schools, 267 Places of Worship, over 130 water wells bombed and destroyed. 23 out of 35 Hospitals don’t function anymore since they’ve gotten shelled. With the other 12 only partially functioning. Over 85% of everyone, millions of people, in Gaza has been displaced.

          Millions are at extreme risk of starvation and disease brought by a deliberate famine and water crisis. Dozens of children have already died from malnutrition.