• CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    If a fetus is a person then consent happened at the time of sex. You cant invite a person for a 9 month journey, and then kill them. That is why its split.

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      8 months ago

      So, let’s go over a hypothetical.

      You’re in a situation where someone needs to be connected to you with tubes to live. You agree to this, and the tubes are connected. How long are you required to stay connected?

      If you want to leave in a week, are you unable to? A month? Two? Nine? A year?

      The moment you disconnect those tubes, the person dies. Are you now locked into being connected to this person forever?

      Or do you have the right to walk away, because you’re also a human who is making a decision about your own body.

      Now add some detriments to the situation. The longer you’re connected, the sicker you feel. The more nutrients they leech, the harder it gets for your body to move. Add in a death rate for fun.

      You’re telling me that you are not permitted to make a choice about your body any longer, because at one time you consented to it? (Completely ignoring the fact that this may have been done without consent.)

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        8 months ago

        “If a fetus is a person then consent happened at the time of sex.” Your hypothetical is not relevant to the argument if the person doesnt give consent.

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          8 months ago

          Rape doesn’t exist now?

          And you’re completely ignoring my comment, to cherry pick the very last line.

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              8 months ago

              Firstly, edge cases are important. You made a generalized statement, and stated it as fact. You don’t see how that’s a problem?

              Now are you going to respond to the actual comment, or skirt around the question because it doesn’t suit your narrative to engage such a situation?

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                8 months ago

                Edge cases are fine, but they are almost always a distraction. And to answer your question, under rape, that is much more tricky and the libertarians that are pro-life will be split on that. So a yet even smaller portion of libertrians will be in favor of “forced birth” in the case of rape. I am not even giving my opinion on the matter, I am just telling you the two viewpoints.

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              8 months ago

              Rape isn’t an edge case. 26,000 rape victims have been forced to give birth in Texas in just 2 years (Source).

              In total, the study estimates that 519,981 rapes occurred in those 14 states and 64,565 of them resulted in pregnancy. Researchers further estimated that 9% of those pregnancies occurred in states with legal exceptions for rape, while 91% of them occurred in states with no exceptions.

              Texas, a state which has no exceptions for rape or incest, was at the top of the list with an estimated 26,313 rape-related pregnancies, over four times more than the next closest state, Missouri, at 5,825.

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                  8 months ago

                  So whose body do you want to control based on your personal beliefs that aren’t very widely held and your gut feeling about situations that aren’t comfortable to you?

                  Liberty is an emotionally difficult stance. It’s bold and demands you permit that which you do not like. You seem to love the idea of holding that stance though you struggle with actually having it. You’re just a sparkling conservative

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      8 months ago

      What an insane take.

      1. Consenting to sex is NOT consenting to pregnancy

      2. Consenting to pregnancy does NOT mean consent cannot be revoked

      3. No person has the right to use another person’s body without their consent

      Anyone calling themselves a libertarian should have these 3 points tattooed on their forehead.

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        8 months ago

        If the union of sperm and egg is a person, and if that person has the right to bodily autonomy, then yes having sex is consenting to making a person with the right to protection. and you cant kill them.

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          8 months ago

          Putting aside that your first “if” statement is only believed by religious extremists, if sex is consenting to making a person, then does that mean that those who are raped are also “consenting”?