• Krono@lemmy.today
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    9 months ago

    “If you dont stop the genocide then we will stop arming your soldiers” sounds reasonable to me.

    If Israel is left vulnerable in a hostile region, it will be because of their own actions.

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        9 months ago

        And not all Gazans are Hamas, but the death toll is over 30k and people are starting to starve to death.

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            9 months ago

            I dont know what you mean by “what’s coming to them”. Right now it seems like there are no consequences for their actions, so nothing is coming to them.

            I believe Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, and other military leaders have committed grave war crimes. They should be tried in international court and given a life sentence.

            I also believe the Israeli state owes a gigantic financial debt for the destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure. Israel has systemically destroyed water treatment, electricity production, schools, hospitals, residential buildings, etc. and they should rebuild it all.

            But I do not believe violence is part of the answer. We need permanent ceasefire, we need truth and reconciliation, we need justice. Any post-ceasefire violence is unacceptable, whether it be against Israelis or Palestinians.

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            9 months ago

            Did German citizens in the 1940s deserve what was coming to them?

            Perhaps not, or at least certainly not all of them. And yet Hitler was lawfully elected, which means many of them voted for him. Netanyahu and Likud were also lawfully elected.

            The question is, what responsibility do voters in a democracy hold for the actions of their democratically elected government? If fair and lawful elections are held, and the voters elect a government that enacts genocide, are those voters liable? Historically the answer to that question has been no. But is that the correct answer? If so, then should American Trump voters also be held liable for his national crimes? What about voters for George W. Bush?

            Perhaps greater responsibility would cause the world’s voters to be more selective in whom they support.

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                9 months ago

                Should they use their vote to resist the spread of white supremecy and authoritianism, yes.

                Then Israel needs to be opposed, as do all ethnostates and genocidal regimes

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                    9 months ago

                    Voting seemingly cannot change a system that produces results where a superpower is owned by billionaires and genocide is supported if it enriches the military industrial complex

                    Which means that the working class seemingly must consider other avenues of structural reform. What alternatives remain?