• partner0709@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Hahahaha now biden is interested on "talks’ about the border? F that guy… 4 years of open border and now he wants to talk about it because the election is coming. Screw him…

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        More like deranged and/or a victim of disinformation. The US-Mexican border is one of the most aggressively controlled borders between countries that aren’t at war in the entire world.

        It’s easier and less expensive (before interest and other predatory student loan fees, at least) to get into an Ivy League university as an American than it is to legally enter the US as a Mexican.

        As for undocumented immigrants, most of those are people from Europe and Canada who entered legally and then overstayed their visas.

        The amount of people crossing the Mexican border illegally is absolutely miniscule in comparison, but Mexicans and other people from Central and South America tend to have more melanin than Europeans and Canadians, which means racist Republicans fear and loathe them.

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          Oh no I definitely understand what’s happening but I just don’t think I will change their opinion in any meaningful way.

          research shows that people don’t change their opinions in the face of facts because political ideology is a fundamentally emotional thing. It’s a shame that tribalism is so deeply ingrained in humanity.

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            Yeah, it’s tragic how effective propaganda can be, especially when repeated over and over as fact by people you trust, like is the case with Faux News and the like and the open borders lie

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      You don’t understand biden’s border policy at all.

      He’s increased border security for his entire term and agreed to further than the most severe border closures conservatives asked for, only to have the conservatives turn tail, proving them to be bad faith negotiators.

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        4 months ago

        Are you actually blaming the conservatives for the current amount of illegal immigration right now?

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          Since they reneged on a deal two months ago to secure the border?

          Yes. Obviously.

          If two parties(Democrats and Republicans) agree to secure the border and then one party (the Republicans) reneges on the agreed proposal and runs away so that the deal falls through, it is that party’s(the Republicans) fault that the deal has fallen through.

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            I think you are referring to the bill with aid to Ukraine, Isreal and Tawaiin, corret? If so, that bill was terrible and literally did the opposite of secure the border.

            Why do they need a bill to secure the border when they already have the ability to do it?

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              Passing bipartisan legislation is how things should legally and transparently be done in the US democratic system.

              A better question is; why are conservatives clutching their pearls over a non-critical issue like border security and then fleeing once someone agrees to provide funding and measures for securing the border?

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                Outside of passing a bill with billions of military aid for proxy wars in foreign countries, it was still a shitty bill. I am fine with using the system correctly, but why not stop the bleeding first and actually prosecute the law?

                Are you aware of what it even did? It literally just codified that 5000 people per day can illegally enter the country by any means, and then after that they have to go through the port of entry, and if I am remembering correctly it doesnt even start taking place till the end of the year. And then it made it so that all the court hearings adjudicating it had to take place in DC. No person should have accepted that bill even if it didnt shove military aid to kill people around the world.

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                  It is irrational but consistent that conservatives took getting what they wished for as a terrifying cautionary example of…getting what they wished for.

                  Border security is a non-critical earmark that baby-brained conservatives whined for more action on and then cowered from once their plaintive cries were answered.

                  Ukraine should get as much aid as they want. Any other conclusion is nuts. Or selfish. Or cowardly. Or short-sighted.

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                    I dont think you read my comment…

                    And the Ukraine war is over, they lost, you wanting more aid is just encouraging more death of ukrainians.

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          Absolutely. Democrats have already tried to make several deals with the covidiots and they have refused. They don’t want a deal, they just hate brown people and want to screw over the left. Nothing at all new there.