• bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    I’ve brought this up before but I’ll say it again: I have never met a member of a group of violent and organized far left extremists, or anyone who identifies as Antifa, to the point that I have trouble believing they exist. I’ve met some far left wackos, but none claiming to be organized or in cahoots with other far left wackos, and most of their violence was in speech only.

    But I’ve met way too many far right knuckleheads who’d be all too happy to shoot someone.

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      10 months ago

      Similarly, the only time you would hear someone described as ‘woke’ just a few years ago is if one black person talked about another black person about being aware of racial injustice.

      And then there was “social justice warrior,” which, like antifa, is not actually a thing. But if it was, the #1 candidate would be their hero Jesus.

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        I’ve met a couple SJWs that were unhinged, but they weren’t really violent and certainly not an organized terror group the the fucking Proud Boys

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          I’ve met a couple SJWs that were unhinged

          No you haven’t, because “SJW” isn’t a thing. It’s an insult. And a stupid one.

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            10 months ago

            And you clearly don’t remember 2016. There were quite a few people parading around and correcting people’s speech, which kinda led to this whole woke and anti woke stuff.

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              Ah yes. It was the people asking that maybe people should be more consciencous and to not be openly terrible who are to blame for it all…

              Not the entitled asshats who puffed up their chests and screamed “You can’t tell me what to do!” when someone told them "You’re being kinda hurtful could you please stop? "

              Here’s the thing when your life sucks because people are being regularly being awful. Not mentioning anything and being quiet and meek and accepting of other people basically being a regular impingment on your ability to flourish or be comfortable doesn’t change your circumstances. They are just gunna keep being awful and draining your batteries. Also those people flipped the fuck out over “hey maybe the way women are depicted in videogames is kind of male centric and kind of shit if you aren’t a guy” and in response went on a terror campaign to literally ruin the lives of those who decided to mention that maybe they were dreaming of a better situation. That little over-reaction was not proportionate in scope.

              Fighting for empathy is a hard business. The “anti-woke” can never truly win as what they seek to suppress will always be there. They must always exert force because that dissatisfaction and misery that underlies the asks won’t go away… it can be silenced, rendered mute by fear and consequences of retaliation and stifled for another generation but the cost is that the boot must always be forced down because it’s never quite able to eliminate that final resistance of people coming into existance who realize they aren’t who society is built for and who have no option but to suffer. The people beneath the boot might be weakened temporarily as the fight ebbs and flows but the harder the boot comes down the deeper the dispair the more desperate the resistance.

              Just the implications that people are unhappy does not sit well with the anti-woke crowd. They resent the idea that people’s unhappiness is directly caused by them which rubs uncomfortably against their idea of the world as an ultimately fair place. Hence why they always argue that people are lying and exaggerating their discomfort. That the facts are wrong, that the people they are causing pain to deserve it somehow. It’s all just lame dodges around the central issue. They are causing discomfort. They can choose to double down and cause more, ignore it or rationalize it or choose to believe that they as the truest form of being knows what’s best for the people experiencing it- indeed better than the people who live that experience … But they cannot end it.

              The notion that what they are being asked to do won’t individually impact them very much is something that they scoff at and then just ignore spaces where these adaptations have been successful. The landscape of gaming became a little more equitable after gamergate because some developers basically just realized that yeah, maybe they were undercutting women and changing formulas a little does kind of expand their market? Gamergate threw their tantrum but most of them barely registered that gaming still continued to service their needs while expanding it’s service to others but because they were on to throwing a tantrum about something else they never really registered that what changed was… fine actually?

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              10 months ago

              Which Antifa chapter is she a member of? Who is the leader of that chapter? Do they have a website? If not, how do you join?

              Interesting that the article you pasted explains none of that, yet insists antifa is real based on “this person says they’re antifa.”

              So can you answer those questions? If not- how is it a real thing?

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                Antifa is a movement without centralized control. There are no chapters, website, or membership. That is core to the movement, so questioning why no one can provide that information is really silly.

                I also have never met a member of Antifa, but there is enough evidence of their actions to make me certain the movement exists. Some people believe it exists, but as a false-flag movement, but I think that’s just conspiratorial thinking.

                Using, “I’ve never seen one,” as evidence is the kind of BS Jan6 insurrections use to say the election was stolen.

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                  So it’s a movement with no leaders, no chapters, no website, no membership… do they get together and organize? If so, how do they know when and where to go?

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                    When fascists announce they’re going to march you just show up to oppose them. And in that opposition to facism you are antifa. And when you go home you aren’t anymore. You’re just someone who has opposed fascists until the jackasses try again.