No one was inside a Waymo car as it was destroyed.

A crowd destroyed a driverless Waymo car in San Francisco::A Waymo car was destroyed in San Francisco as a crowd began vandalizing it and ultimately set the car on fire. Nobody was in the vehicle at the time.

  • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
    21·
    10 months ago

    They literally can through a taxi service that splits the costs amongst users, called Waymo. Car shares also already exist. The cost of sensors and computers will also come down both through mass manufacturing and technological improvements (like solid state lidar).

    Those services are necessarily more expensive than the likes of trams, that much is simple physics. Also, you’re going to get the burger flipper fired if you make them rely on waymo, to wit, all those waymos blocking traffic because they don’t know how to continue on, having come across something unforeseen. What if there’s a game in town and our flipper needs to get to work but can’t afford the rush pricing waymo introduces because unlike public transport, their prices aren’t regulated and the hedge funds owning waymo would never accept a situation in which they can get less than 20% ROI on every single vehicle they put out there. While getting subsidised by tax payer money in the form of the streets they’re using.

    Why are you so insistent on rubber on asphalt over steel on steel? Automation is much easier and further along on tracks. Why such a fanboy for private capital over the freedom of a municipality to come together and solve a problem in a cheap and affordable way?

    Also please don’t tell me that 10-lane highways are easier to cross for pedestrians when the cars are autonomous.

    • masterspaceEnglish
      11·
      10 months ago

      Why are you so insistent on rubber on asphalt over steel on steel? Automation is much easier and further along on tracks. Why such a fanboy for private capital over the freedom of a municipality to come together and solve a problem in a cheap and affordable way?

      Lol, you so insistently want to believe that I’m a car loving tech bro that you’re literally not reading anything I’m writing.

      I’m pro public transit, I agree that it’s more efficient and produces better cities and communities than ones built around cars, I tend to vote socialist, and don’t own a car and have no love for them or what they’ve done to society, however, I’m just not delusional about how long it takes to a) built enough mass transit that people don’t need cars and b) move everyone to live and work near that mass transit and c) to solve for every edge case like the elderly, people driving out to remote cottages, deliveries, the sick and elderly, getting around in inclement weather, etc.

      Even if you had the public and political willpower to enact those changes (which you very very very clearly don’t), it would still take longer to do all of that, by like an order of magnitude, then it will to improve self driving cars and make them widely available. Self driving cars we’re talking like a decade, the kind of societal changes you’re describing take a generation. You literally have to wait for every suburban stick in the mud to be willing to move out of their home or die before you can achieve your car-free dream.

      • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
        21·
        10 months ago

        Self driving cars we’re talking like a decade, the kind of societal changes you’re describing take a generation.

        The kind of changes I’m talking about are happening, even in the US, right now. It’s you who’s lobbying against them by saying “can’t be done”, “not fast enough” completely ignoring what’s happening in actual cities all over the place. How about “hey why are the Mormons of all people more progressive than our city”, instead?

        Also for an purported supporter of public transport you ripped into /r/fuckcars quite a lot. WTH are you even doing over on the snoo site.

        You literally have to wait for every suburban stick in the mud to be willing to move out of their home or die before you can achieve your car-free dream.

        No. Railcar suburbs once existed and existing car-dependent single-home suburbs can be turned into them by, as I already explained, densifying around the stations. Which has been done, and is being done, and would come soon also to your city if you bothered to argue for it.

        As to me personally: I never owned a car. Never needed one.

          • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
            21·
            10 months ago

            No. Railcar suburbs once existed and existing car-dependent single-home suburbs can be turned into them by, as I already explained, densifying around the stations. Which has been done, and is being done, and would come soon also to your city if you bothered to argue for it.

            Learn how to read.

            Yeah that’s not how to argue. What am I supposed to read in that context? You’re deflecting.

            As to me personally: I never owned a car. Never needed one.

            I didn’t ask and I don’t care.

            You said this:

            You literally have to wait for every suburban stick in the mud to be willing to move out of their home or die before you can achieve your car-free dream.

            No, it’s not a dream. No, I’m not living in the city centre, either. You’re, again, deflecting in a desperate attempt to deny reality, denying the change that’s happening even in places that are culturally extremely car-centric.

            Touch grass.

            • masterspaceEnglish
              1·
              10 months ago

              Yeah that’s not how to argue. What am I supposed to read in that context? You’re deflecting.

              It means reread what you wrote and then reflect on what might have already been explicitly contradicted. Maybe reflect on what I’ve said about my political views instead of injecting the car loving stereotype you’ve made up.

              No, it’s not a dream. No, I’m not living in the city centre, either.

              Congratulations bro. There are still cars all around you and you would still be safer if they were autonomous.

              • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                10 months ago

                Maybe reflect on what I’ve said about my political views instead of injecting the car loving stereotype you’ve made up.

                Nah I don’t think you’re a petrol head, I think you’re a techbro. I’ve accused you of it amply, and you have never even tried to give off any other impression.

                Congratulations bro. There are still cars all around you and you would still be safer if they were autonomous.

                Statistically speaking I’m vastly more likely to fall off a ladder changing a lightbulb than getting hit by a car. But I’m sure you have a technology for that, too… don’t you? Because you want to focus on the issues that actually affect people?

                  • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
                    11·
                    10 months ago

                    If you think I’m a tech bro I will repeat what I’ve already said, learn how to fucking read. Jesus fucking Christ you’re an idiot.

                    From what I’ve read from you you’re fanboying automated driving quite a lot. See it as the one and true thing to solve all the issues even though I gave you plenty of examples of things it can’t solve, even if it did work. You addressed none of them in a convincing manner, instead dug your head in the sand, indicative of a closed world-view.

                    “techbro” is simply shorthand for that.

                    Um, they’re called LED light bulbs, and you only have to change them once every 10-15 years instead of a couple times a year.

                    Good job missing the point. Then I’ll fall off the ladder cleaning windows or shoving winter clothes onto the top shelf of the cabinet. Changing a smoke alarm battery. Point is: Household accidents aren’t exactly rare: In 2022, 2.776 people died in Germany due to traffic accidents. Domestic accidents: 15.551.

                    There are also these little things called fall arrests harnesses.

                    …and you’re going to make people use them how? Put a police officer in every household to make sure people are sticking to occupational safety principles?

                    I’d say if those companies put even just a tenth of the money they spend on automated driving research into domestic safety, even just ad campaigns, they could save a lot more people. But they of course won’t you can’t make money with that unless you’re the state.

                    so present your plausible plan for getting all of the world to give up cars in the next let’s say even 20 years,

                    As soon as you give an actually good argument how you’re going to replace every car we currently have with an automated one, sure. As soon as you tell me how to square the circle of automated cars not running over pedestrians but still being reliable enough to actually go where you want them to go. As soon as you admit that you’ve been constantly ignoring those problems because they contradict your faith.

                    And thanks for the reminder that even people with extremely similar political views to me, can be arrogant dickbag idiots.

                    I very much doubt we have the same opinion on whether capital should be running basic infrastructure.