Those aren’t my definitions. They are those of the Genocide Convention and South African Apartheid survivors.
Biden is now putting sanctions on those who go too far in Israel
Nope. He’s frozen assets of a handful of civilian murderers from the West Bank, but is still supporting the Israeli government genocide with weapons, funding and lying about the extent of their atrocities.
The comment I was responding to wanted Biden to throw Israel under the bus
Israel IS the bus and he’s throwing his own re-election prospects under it. He’s already alienated significant portions of crucial battleground states like Michigan and he’s hemorrhaging support from every voter who doesn’t consider massacring civilians the cost of doing business.
the Republicans that would replace him due to the financial consequences of a national rail strike.
Again, a purely fictional hypothetical invented to excuse the ongoing gross violations of labor rights by some of his favorite owner donors.
I swear you Biden stans are just as blind to the many faults of your Dear Leader as the Trump cult sometimes 🤦
Israel has not been found guilty of violating either statute, keep repeating it like a mantra but it doesn’t make it any more true. 21% of Israel’s population is Arab/Palestinian and they have full legal citizenship rights. Pretty odd for an, “apartheid state.” Israel is not attempting to destroy Palestinians in whole or in part, they are responding to an attack by a belligerent nation and going to great lengths to select legal targets in response even if they have significant collateral damage. It’s clear this is about self-defense and not racial based punishment, despite your uncharitable portrayal.
I swear you Biden stans are just as blind to the many faults of your Dear Leader as the Trump cult sometimes 🤦
Biden is the best president we’ve had in a long time and I’m tired of Hamas stans criticizing him for supporting our allies against unprovoked terrorist attacks. Supporting our allies in a time of crisis is the right thing to do.
Israel has not been found guilty of violating either statute
Because until now the US has vetoed every attempt at holding them accountable and the current ICJ case is still ongoing. The lack of a conviction doesn’t invalidate painfully obvious reality.
eep repeating it like a mantra but it doesn’t make it any more true
Could say the exact same thing about your denials. Difference would be that I’d be basing it on objective reality rather than lies from pro-Israel outlets such as NYT and Times of Israel.
they are responding to an attack by a belligerent nation
No, they are responding to a terrorist attack in a wildly disproportionate manner.
going to great lengths to select legal targets in response
Nope. They’re notorious for lying about the legitimacy of targets. There’s no fully functional hospitals left in Gaza because that’s what the Israeli government wanted, not because there were Hamas “fighters” hidden in or under every single one like the IDF keeps claiming.
even if they have significant collateral damage.
You mean CAUSE, right? Because by their own official estimate, they kill twice as many civilians as Hamas and since they refuse to share the data, it’s probably much worse than even that.
It’s clear this is about self-defense
Are you fucking drunk? On other mind-altering substances? Because you can’t be this gullible sober and still function.
Unless of course you’re deliberately lying, which is very likely.
Biden is the best president we’ve had in a long time
Second-best since Carter, but that’s still an awfully low bar since they’ve all been really baf in each their own way and also the shared way of being beholden to billionaires and their corporations.
Hamas stans
Let me be absolutely clear: I abhor all terrorism by all terrorists, including Hamas. You don’t have to be on their side to abhor genocide.
criticizing him for supporting our allies
Genocidal apartheid state regimes do not make for worthy allies.
against unprovoked terrorist attacks.
I’m not saying that the attacks were in any way justified or excusable, but to call them unprovoked is the height of ideological blindness! Are you SURE you’re not drunk or high right now?
Supporting our allies in a time of crisis is the right thing to do.
Not when said crisis is of the making of said allies and their crimes against humanity.
Yeah, the Hamas stans are basically indistinguishable from the MAGAs now. They just scream some made up shit they saw from their social media feeds over and over. They even subscribe to many of the same conspiracy theories as the MAGAs about the media being manipulated by the Jews. Though the MAGAs still tend to use code wards like “Globalists” but it’s ultimately the same delusional conspiracy theories.
It’s really sad how people who are well aware of the manipulations the Trump MAGA movement have used to get people to go down weird rabbit holes they can’t escape from, but then jumped down a rabbit hole right next to it that led to basically the same place. “Joe Biden is evil, the media is controlled by the Jews and is lying to everyone, only my social media feed tells me the truth.” It’s bizarre how people can’t step back for a moment and consider what they’re doing.
I mean Hamas is a blood and soil (from the river to the sea!) movement, that’s anti-democracy, constantly goes on about victimization, constantly talks about restoring past greatness that was taken away by another ethnic group. They have demonstrated a willingness to use violence to maintain power.
They tick all the same boxes as the MAGAs. Might be because they’re both fascist movements.
I’m always involved in conversations with the “Free Palestine” crowd and the conversations go exactly the same way as with MAGAs. debating whether or not the news can be trusted, trying to pierce through the paranoid conspiracy theories, “both sides” logic, and dog whistles to get to the truth. Ultimately conversations with MAGAs devolve into the MAGA making overt homophobic/transphobic/racist statements. With the Hamas supporters it devolves into overt antisemitism.
Hell, yesterday there was someone willing to look the other way on gay people being crucified in Yemen because it was distracting from hating Israel. This person said they were part of the LBGTQ+ community.
Some real batshit crazy shit coming from both the MAGAs and Hamas fans.
These groups use the same logic (if you can call it that), they just have different groups that they target their hatred towards. It’s all about maintaining the righteous anger and rejecting anything that doesn’t fit the narrative.
It was about both. You can repeat your narrative as many times as you want, doesn’t change the fact that you’re lying.
False. It’s by definition a case of both.
Wrong again.
Those aren’t my definitions. They are those of the Genocide Convention and South African Apartheid survivors.
Nope. He’s frozen assets of a handful of civilian murderers from the West Bank, but is still supporting the Israeli government genocide with weapons, funding and lying about the extent of their atrocities.
Israel IS the bus and he’s throwing his own re-election prospects under it. He’s already alienated significant portions of crucial battleground states like Michigan and he’s hemorrhaging support from every voter who doesn’t consider massacring civilians the cost of doing business.
Again, a purely fictional hypothetical invented to excuse the ongoing gross violations of labor rights by some of his favorite owner donors.
I swear you Biden stans are just as blind to the many faults of your Dear Leader as the Trump cult sometimes 🤦
Israel has not been found guilty of violating either statute, keep repeating it like a mantra but it doesn’t make it any more true. 21% of Israel’s population is Arab/Palestinian and they have full legal citizenship rights. Pretty odd for an, “apartheid state.” Israel is not attempting to destroy Palestinians in whole or in part, they are responding to an attack by a belligerent nation and going to great lengths to select legal targets in response even if they have significant collateral damage. It’s clear this is about self-defense and not racial based punishment, despite your uncharitable portrayal.
Biden is the best president we’ve had in a long time and I’m tired of Hamas stans criticizing him for supporting our allies against unprovoked terrorist attacks. Supporting our allies in a time of crisis is the right thing to do.
Because until now the US has vetoed every attempt at holding them accountable and the current ICJ case is still ongoing. The lack of a conviction doesn’t invalidate painfully obvious reality.
Could say the exact same thing about your denials. Difference would be that I’d be basing it on objective reality rather than lies from pro-Israel outlets such as NYT and Times of Israel.
Completely irrelevant.
No they fucking don’t! Even Times of Israel admits they don’t!
Yeah, they are. They’re specifically saying so themselves.
No, they are responding to a terrorist attack in a wildly disproportionate manner.
Nope. They’re notorious for lying about the legitimacy of targets. There’s no fully functional hospitals left in Gaza because that’s what the Israeli government wanted, not because there were Hamas “fighters” hidden in or under every single one like the IDF keeps claiming.
You mean CAUSE, right? Because by their own official estimate, they kill twice as many civilians as Hamas and since they refuse to share the data, it’s probably much worse than even that.
Are you fucking drunk? On other mind-altering substances? Because you can’t be this gullible sober and still function.
Unless of course you’re deliberately lying, which is very likely.
Second-best since Carter, but that’s still an awfully low bar since they’ve all been really baf in each their own way and also the shared way of being beholden to billionaires and their corporations.
Let me be absolutely clear: I abhor all terrorism by all terrorists, including Hamas. You don’t have to be on their side to abhor genocide.
Genocidal apartheid state regimes do not make for worthy allies.
I’m not saying that the attacks were in any way justified or excusable, but to call them unprovoked is the height of ideological blindness! Are you SURE you’re not drunk or high right now?
Not when said crisis is of the making of said allies and their crimes against humanity.
Yeah, the Hamas stans are basically indistinguishable from the MAGAs now. They just scream some made up shit they saw from their social media feeds over and over. They even subscribe to many of the same conspiracy theories as the MAGAs about the media being manipulated by the Jews. Though the MAGAs still tend to use code wards like “Globalists” but it’s ultimately the same delusional conspiracy theories.
It’s really sad how people who are well aware of the manipulations the Trump MAGA movement have used to get people to go down weird rabbit holes they can’t escape from, but then jumped down a rabbit hole right next to it that led to basically the same place. “Joe Biden is evil, the media is controlled by the Jews and is lying to everyone, only my social media feed tells me the truth.” It’s bizarre how people can’t step back for a moment and consider what they’re doing.
this is some pretty ham-fisted pigeonholing
I mean Hamas is a blood and soil (from the river to the sea!) movement, that’s anti-democracy, constantly goes on about victimization, constantly talks about restoring past greatness that was taken away by another ethnic group. They have demonstrated a willingness to use violence to maintain power.
They tick all the same boxes as the MAGAs. Might be because they’re both fascist movements.
I’m always involved in conversations with the “Free Palestine” crowd and the conversations go exactly the same way as with MAGAs. debating whether or not the news can be trusted, trying to pierce through the paranoid conspiracy theories, “both sides” logic, and dog whistles to get to the truth. Ultimately conversations with MAGAs devolve into the MAGA making overt homophobic/transphobic/racist statements. With the Hamas supporters it devolves into overt antisemitism.
Hell, yesterday there was someone willing to look the other way on gay people being crucified in Yemen because it was distracting from hating Israel. This person said they were part of the LBGTQ+ community.
Some real batshit crazy shit coming from both the MAGAs and Hamas fans.
These groups use the same logic (if you can call it that), they just have different groups that they target their hatred towards. It’s all about maintaining the righteous anger and rejecting anything that doesn’t fit the narrative.
more pigeonholing
pretty light on facts here