I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
    936·
    9 months ago

    It is quite often that responses seem to come from school age children who just discovered [insert edgy counter-culture ideology], and all of their responses and world views revolve around a rudimentary desire for that ideological utopia, with very little consideration given to sociology or economics. I suppose that is actually who’s responding a lot of the time. All real world considerations are discarded, and any issues you identify are perceived as stupid/shill/Trumper/dummy/capitalist drivel with zero consideration given.

    • edric@lemm.ee
      21·
      9 months ago

      I do notice and kinda agree that some users here are great at arguing about theory, but can’t see beyond that for practical application.

    • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      141·
      9 months ago

      Agreed, often if you check the post history of folks like that you’ll see that they’re still in school.

    • GilgameshCatBeard
      103·
      9 months ago

      That’s precisely it. It’s manufactured outrage created by kids trying to look Worldly. The same about when on when I was in school- and it was every bit as cringy.

    • SoylentBlake@lemm.ee
      75·
      9 months ago

      Theres truth to this but I think the general sentiment is archaic and overblown to the point it’s almost anachronistic.

      It used to be that cohorts would grow more conservative as they aged - trying to keep everything like they know, essentially. This was true when we built societies that allowed generations to prosper.

      We don’t see that seismic shift in millennials or the older zoomers. We see the opposite. Millennials onward are actively moving further left, not just appearing further left because the Overton window has shifted. If anything, the window shifting, casting those in the center as “left”, hasn’t pulled the left to center, but the other way around. It’s pushed the center to be more open to the lefts ideas. The left still convulses at the centers ideas, trust me (like student loans).

      This is one of those opinions that everyone likes to assume is part of the silent majority but there’s just not that as much evidence to back up the confidence in which it’s announced - which, remember this, is 100% the main tactic of those in the center. This is the “end of history”, everything’s figured out, inability to see beyond themselves that makes leftists say neoliberalism (the prevailing media world view, center-right) is a cult or that liberalism is a mental illness -the former I agree with, the latter I do not.

      Once this tone is dropped, its a mine field of red flags representing the death of nuance, that we’ve reached the limits of their rationality and critical thinking.

      Just like breaking thru the rights MAGA cult, breaking the centers techno authoritarianism is like explaining 3D to Flatlanders. And if that sounds like gobbledygook to you, you’ve either been completely sheltered (and in that case, buckle up, things are waaaay worse than you were told growing up) or you’re fully indoctrinated into either ideologue. Blinders on. Kamakazi away.