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Nazanin Boniadi is an Iranian-born human rights activist, actress and 2023 Sydney Peace Prize Laureate. Roya Boroumand is the Co-Founder and Executive Director of the Boroumand Center for Human Rights in Iran.
The Islamic Republic authorities in Iran are going on an execution binge, using the spiraling instability and conflicts in the Middle East — in which they are complicit — as a smokescreen for their crimes against the Iranian people.
On January 22, the mother of Mohammad Ghobadlou, a 23-year-old street protester in the “Woman Life Freedom” uprising in Iran, made an emotional videotape pleading for her son’s life to be spared. Ghobadlou was bipolar and his death sentence had been quashed by the Supreme Court. A retrial involving an adequate mental health assessment had been ordered in July 2023.
Despite this, his execution took place a day after his mother’s appeal, with only a 12-hour notice to his lawyer because Iran’s Chief Justice vetoed the retrial and made sure Ghobadlou was secretly sentenced to death. This is not the first nor the last execution carried out in Iran in flagrant violation of the Islamic Republic’s international human rights obligations, and with utter contempt for the rule of law. He is at least the ninth protester to be executed in connection to the 2022 protests. Farhad Salimi, an Iranian Kurdish political prisoner subjected to torture-tainted “confession" and whose decade-long pleas for a fair retrial were ignored, was arbitrarily executed on the same day as Ghobadlou. Less than a week after their execution, four more Kurdish dissidents who were forcibly disappeared in July 2022 — Pejman Fatehi, Mohsan Mazloum, Mohammad Hazhir Faramarzi and Wafa Azarbar — were also executed after grossly unfair and secretive trials, and allegations of torture. Adding insult to injury, the authorities are refusing to return the bodies to the families for burial.
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Brace yourselves for the ramping up of anti-Iran propaganda as the US manufactures popular consent for war.
Not everything is a conspiracy. The Iranian government has been aggressive, both inwards and towards other countries, for many years and they finally managed to go that one step too far. It’s unsurprising that there is increased interest in the internal affairs of this country and that human rights activists like this one are being listened to more at the moment.
What the fuck are you talking about? What conspiracy do you think I’m subscribing to? In which world is Iran a greater purveyor of death and destruction than the US? Certainly not this one. Why should Iran be barred from influence within its own geographic region, while the US is excused for destroying and occupying countries all over that same region? “Very aggressive” indeed. What a joke.
Why should an autocratic theocracy that tortures and murders their own population and is supporting and directing terrorists like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis, that is selling arms to Russia, that is hurting trade, conducting information warfare against the West and so on and so forth not be allowed to do all of these things? Really?
Do you really think just because the USA has done terrible things this gives Iran the right to be a menace? What kind of logic is that? Iran is an obvious threat and the rest of the world, including the US and no matter what the US has done, has a right to respond to this threat. The idea that just because Iran is a big bully in the Middle East they have an inherent right to behave in this manner is absurd. It’s the same kind of logic that China uses whenever it tries to strongarm its neighbors and receives deserved pushback.
What conspiracy do you think I’m subscribing to?
You are spreading the conspiracy theory that there is a concerted effort from the USA to manufacture consent for a war, whereas in reality, the opposite is the case. This isn’t a war and there is absolutely zero indication that one is being prepared for. What Iranian proxies are experiencing right now is nothing but a reality check, a message to them and their masters in Tehran that they have overstepped their bounds. Remember that this attack on American soldiers has been just the latest in a long string of attacks. If America didn’t respond to their soldiers getting killed - which were there not as an occupying force, but with full consent of the host country Jordan, which has been a close American ally for many decades - then this would message to regimes like Iran and their affiliated groups that it’s fine to kill Americans, that nothing of significance would happen in return. This can obviously not be allowed to happen.
Fucking hell. Listen to yourself. Any charge you level against Iran is 10 times applicable to the US and its allies. The evil deeds of the west have largely given us the problems we have in the middle east today. How can you be cheering for more US aggression here?
Can you explain to me the differences between Saudi Arabia and Iran, that makes the former a friend and ally to the US, deserving of our high tech weaponry and political support on the world stage, while the other is a villain deserving of annihilation?
Iran isn’t worse than the US or its allies, it just stands in the way of US interests. Those interests which, by the way, are not the fairytales called “democracy” or “human rights” despite what you may want to believe.
This is called whataboutism, and appears to be your sole argument, in which case, you’ve lost the debate.
Lol @ “the debate”. I’m not allowed to question the fundamental underpinnings of US aggression towards Iran? You make the claim that Iran is somehow uniquely bad. I responded with relevant arguments that it isn’t. If US policy towards Iran isn’t based on Iran’s ‘badness’ (not unique), then what is it based on? Be honest with yourself.
Any charge you level against Iran is 10 times applicable to the US and its allies.
Let’s go through the list:
- Autocratic theocracy: There is no Western autocratic theocracy. The closest equivalent ally would be Saudi Arabia, which I would be the last person to defend nor want as an ally.
- Tortures and murders their own population: Again, only Saudi Arabia. As awful at it is, Iran still executes many times more people than even the Saudis.
- Supporting and directing terrorists: Nope. You can point at CIA actions from the past, but if we go back in time, Iran is going to look even worse by comparison.
- Selling arms to Russia: When Russia looked like it was opening up to the West, the West was trading with it, including arms. Can’t see how this is comparable to the situation now.
- Hurting trade: Obviously not a thing the West is interested in. The free flow of goods is one of the hallmarks of the Western world.
- Conducting information warfare: RFA and similar Cold War era efforts that are somehow still holding out are almost quaint compared to the massive troll farms countries like Iran are doing.
So no, your attempt at whataboutism, which you tried even though I said no matter what the USA has done, none of it justifies Iran being a menace, falls flat on its face.
The evil deeds of the west have largely given us the problems we have in the middle east today.
Colonialism has created many of the issues this region has today, yes, and the second Gulf War - which I protested in the streets against, by the way - is a more recent example of detrimental Western involvement, as is the installation of the Shah in Iran a few decades earlier. However, blaming most or all of the issues the Middle East has on Western powers is in a way infantilizing, robbing the people and their governments in this region of their agency, which they clearly have and which was clearly the main force since the 1940s that shaped this part of the world. You cannot understate the massive impact the pan-Arabic movement had for example - or more recently, the Arab Spring.
Can you explain to me the differences between Saudi Arabia and Iran, that makes the former a friend and ally to the US, deserving of our high tech weaponry and political support on the world stage, while the other is a villain deserving of annihilation?
Saudi Arabia managed, through intense diplomatic efforts since WW2, to enamor itself with the West. They offered two things: Oil and a strategic partnership. The West was willing to overlook that it’s an autocratic hellhole, Saudi Arabia was willing to pinch their noses whenever said West dared to make the most benign attempts at encouraging a more open and tolerant society. There is no denying however that patience is running out just as much as oil is, but since Saudi Arabia is a more than willing counterweight to Iran, which fundamentally threatens it through centuries-old religious animosity and its entirely different style of autocratic governance.
Iran set itself up, through their own will, as an opponent of the West. The Islamic Revolution was not just a revolution against the Western-backed Shah, but also one against the West and its ideals itself. Saudi Arabia isn’t a fan of Western ideals either, but it managed to toe the line just well enough to never anger it to the point that the economic and military alliance was endangered. Iran could have easily played the same game, but decided to stubbornly and arrogantly push against a foe that is ultimately far more powerful and could, if enough political will accumulated, annihilate it - never the other way around though, which is why Iran is still trying to get its nuclear weapons program off the ground, as both a deterrent and a potential first strike weapon.
Iran isn’t worse than the US or its allies
It is. Just going by the aforementioned number of executions, it is.
it just stands in the way of US interests. Those interests which, by the way, are not the fairytales called “democracy” or “human rights”
Don’t put words in my mouth. The most important value to the West after ensuring its own security and that of its allies is the free flow of goods and people. Iran endangers both. They are endangering the close ally Israel through Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis, they are endangering the far less close, but still important ally Saudi Arabia and they are hurting global trade, which impacts everyone, even you. A nation like Iran can only push so many buttons before something happens in response. This bombing campaign is a warning. It tells them both that America knows exactly what its gaggle of proxies are up to and where they are and it’s an unspoken warning that these precise strikes hitting those plausibly deniable groups could just as easily hit official Iranian assets, which would hurt far more.
Autocratic theocracy: There is no Western autocratic theocracy. Yes there is, although it is still developing.
- The US is well on its way there now: with the balance of SCOTUS being right wing; Roe vs Wade being overturned; trans and women’s healthcare being decimated; the privatization of youth and adult penal systems without comprehensive federal oversight that have allowed massive abuse to occur; almost every police force in the nation under investigation for murder, fraud, abuse, stealing body parts, etc; educational systems so underfunded that many locales don’t have an actual tally of how many children live in a district; a current presidential candidate who’s facing multiple trials and civil court cases for everything from rape to fraud, but is very comfortable in positioning himself as America’s savior being martyred;
- Tortures and murders their own population: America’s prison population would disagree, as would Black and Brown citizens who daily face being killed by cops. Add to this the seeming joy some take in states reactivating their death sentencing using unproven and unethical means.
- Supporting and directing terrorists: One could argue that American military forces have, in the past, committed some serious war atrocities under the banner of “In God We Trust”. See the Iran-Contra affair for further evidence.
- Selling arms to Russia: America has sold or exchanged weapons with other nefarious actors … again see the Iran-Contra affair.
- Hurting trade: America currently has full or limited embargoes on Cuba, Russia, Belarus, Somalia, and a host of other nations/nationals which obviously affect trade.
- Conducting information warfare: America has a long history of spying on its “friends”, first reported by Edward Snowdon, and more recently through Discord, which have negatively affected its relationships worldwide. Here’s a full list.
Let’s say all of these “developing” aspects equate the US to Iran - even though none of them are even close, which is why you had to use that crutch of using the word developing, implying there is a clear development in one direction, even though it’s far more complex than that: So what?
It’s still just whataboutism, still an intentional or unintentional attempt at normalizing a rogue state. Like I said, none of this gives Iran the right to behave in the way it does. You could easily use that same logic to excuse what North Korea, Russia, Cuba, Belarus, Vietnam, China are are doing, but that’s all this argument does, it’s not productive; there is nothing of substance coming out of it. Hell, the user I initially replied to even argued that because America is bad, it should leave Iran alone, which makes zero sense. We can list the faults and issues America has all day and I have been more than critical of the many issues the sole remaining world power has, but at the end of that day, this changes nothing about the asymmetric warfare Iran is conducting based on the same nihilistic zero-sum principle that Russia is using. This is the last thing we should encourage, as everyone gets hurt by it, not just the long list of nations and individuals affected by it, but also ordinary Iranians.
Way too many words for “the US protects its interests”. It will kill, torture, maim, level cities, topple governments, invade, occupy and embargo whenever it sees fit (which is a lot). The degree to which the US does these things is unmatched in scale in contemporary times. All our living presidents ought to face trial at the Hague.
A dozen or so misplaced usa cruise missiles would do a great job over there…
I’m not sure what causes a person to think that starting a war is always the best way to solve problems
How do we stop Iran killing their own citizens? I know, we kill them first! I are very smart!
Fascists gonna fasc.
