My da hosts a Bible study group in their home, and recently I glanced at a booked they were going through called “The War on Christianity” or some shit like that. I just gave a short laugh and said “Oooooh, you poor oppressed Christians!” before my mother gave me “the look” that said “I know how you feel, but please don’t start shit right now.”
These people have no idea what oppression is. They think that people having negative opinions of Christianity is “oppression”. They think that folks fighting for abortion rights is “oppression” against Christians. They think that folks telling them that they gave no intention to get involved in their religion is “oppression”.
They are still allowed to gather freely, to hold positions of power, own homes and businesses, proselytize, protest, etc.
They’re just mad that they’re finally being called out for their harmful, hateful, and bigoted viewpoints. It’s “oppression” because they can’t force everyone else to follow their rules.
It’s easy to see why they feel that way. Imagine an Affirmative Action style of law was passed to prioritize felons to get jobs. Non-felons (who have ALL the advantages) would suddenly find themselves occasionally losing a job a person who is different for genuinely wrong reasons. “I didn’t get the accounting job because someone who did time for 3 counts of Wire Fraud applied and got preferential treatment”. If that were me, I’d be pissed. In fact, I’d feel a little bit oppressed. I mean, same direction but hitting your later points. What if a law came out protecting people on the sexual predator registry against being discussed or discriminated against? I think you and I could agree to riot in the streets, no? Even though it be protecting a minority from the majority.
As wrong as their mindset is, they think Christianity is the one and only “right thing” wrt religion. So despite being the majority, if someone gets any protection from them for being “wrong”, they feel as oppressed as you might feel if you couldn’t stop a child predator across from the town’s elementary school… Now you and I know that there’s no foundation for Christians to say all other religions are wrong and theirs correct, but Christians who feel that way don’t.
Again, it might not help to understand why there’s some logic to their complaints, but it’s context and knowing our “enemy” can be valuable…
That’s not quite the same thing though because you’re talking about giving another group of people preferential treatment over everyone else.
But what things like abortion laws give people is the right to self-determination. No one saying that anyone who doesn’t want an abortion has to have an abortion they are just saying that it’s an allowable option.
In your example it’s like saying that exfelons have the right to have their record sealed once they’ve served their time. They’re not given preferential treatment they’re just equalized to everyone else.
That’s not quite the same thing though because you’re talking about giving another group of people preferential treatment over everyone else.
Obviously. I’m explaining how people with a flawed mindset think, not defending that mindset.
But what things like abortion laws give people is the right to self-determination
Also obviously true. There are some common-sense counterpoints (basically, anti-choice folks don’t act like abortion is murder, they pretend that it is, and that shows their lie), but if a person genuinely thought abortion was literally murder, it becomes an apple-to-apple comparison to their broken alt-right point of view; and importantly, it’s consistent. Consistent viewpoints are often harder to rebut than ones with obvious self-contradictions.
In your example it’s like saying that exfelons have the right to have their record sealed once they’ve served their time. They’re not given preferential treatment they’re just equalized to everyone else.
That’s why I didn’t use that example. I’m trying to show why certain twisted beliefs are consistent enough for millions of people to hold them. If my example were ex-felons (while it is a somewhat more appropriate comparison) it would not lead to an internally consistent viewpoint.
As I said to the other commentor, my explanation isn’t about trying to defend that user’s parents to him. It’s trying to help him understeand, a basis through which they can perhaps decide what to do next, or not do next.
I understand it just fine. And it’s still fucked up.
“It’s okay to bomb Palestinian civilians because the Jews are God’s chosen people and the land was given to them as their divine right” is unforgivable. Yet, it’s part of my da’s religious belief because “it says so in scripture.”
If you’re using religion to justify harm, direct or indirect, you’re a shit person who has no business telling others how to live their lives. And they can shut their fucking mouths if they try to tell me how they’re the real oppressed ones.
Then you missed my argument. I’m trying to help the reader get an understanding to his family’s insanity, not say their insanity is correct. There is no knowledge that is not power. So knowing how the other side thinks is important.
My da hosts a Bible study group in their home, and recently I glanced at a booked they were going through called “The War on Christianity” or some shit like that. I just gave a short laugh and said “Oooooh, you poor oppressed Christians!” before my mother gave me “the look” that said “I know how you feel, but please don’t start shit right now.”
These people have no idea what oppression is. They think that people having negative opinions of Christianity is “oppression”. They think that folks fighting for abortion rights is “oppression” against Christians. They think that folks telling them that they gave no intention to get involved in their religion is “oppression”.
They are still allowed to gather freely, to hold positions of power, own homes and businesses, proselytize, protest, etc.
They’re just mad that they’re finally being called out for their harmful, hateful, and bigoted viewpoints. It’s “oppression” because they can’t force everyone else to follow their rules.
100%. Very similar to “the war on men” or “the war on white people”.
Don’t make me give you “the look”.
I was curious, so i googled. Was it The Global War on Christianity?
Christianity is illegal in parts of the world. I can understand why Christians in America would read a book about it
And in many parts of the world they are doing irreparable harm.
Plus, they only buy that book to feel sorry about themselves. US Christians have a persecution fetish.
all of these can be simultaneously true
It’s easy to see why they feel that way. Imagine an Affirmative Action style of law was passed to prioritize felons to get jobs. Non-felons (who have ALL the advantages) would suddenly find themselves occasionally losing a job a person who is different for genuinely wrong reasons. “I didn’t get the accounting job because someone who did time for 3 counts of Wire Fraud applied and got preferential treatment”. If that were me, I’d be pissed. In fact, I’d feel a little bit oppressed. I mean, same direction but hitting your later points. What if a law came out protecting people on the sexual predator registry against being discussed or discriminated against? I think you and I could agree to riot in the streets, no? Even though it be protecting a minority from the majority.
As wrong as their mindset is, they think Christianity is the one and only “right thing” wrt religion. So despite being the majority, if someone gets any protection from them for being “wrong”, they feel as oppressed as you might feel if you couldn’t stop a child predator across from the town’s elementary school… Now you and I know that there’s no foundation for Christians to say all other religions are wrong and theirs correct, but Christians who feel that way don’t.
Again, it might not help to understand why there’s some logic to their complaints, but it’s context and knowing our “enemy” can be valuable…
That’s not quite the same thing though because you’re talking about giving another group of people preferential treatment over everyone else.
But what things like abortion laws give people is the right to self-determination. No one saying that anyone who doesn’t want an abortion has to have an abortion they are just saying that it’s an allowable option.
In your example it’s like saying that exfelons have the right to have their record sealed once they’ve served their time. They’re not given preferential treatment they’re just equalized to everyone else.
Obviously. I’m explaining how people with a flawed mindset think, not defending that mindset.
Also obviously true. There are some common-sense counterpoints (basically, anti-choice folks don’t act like abortion is murder, they pretend that it is, and that shows their lie), but if a person genuinely thought abortion was literally murder, it becomes an apple-to-apple comparison to their broken alt-right point of view; and importantly, it’s consistent. Consistent viewpoints are often harder to rebut than ones with obvious self-contradictions.
That’s why I didn’t use that example. I’m trying to show why certain twisted beliefs are consistent enough for millions of people to hold them. If my example were ex-felons (while it is a somewhat more appropriate comparison) it would not lead to an internally consistent viewpoint.
As I said to the other commentor, my explanation isn’t about trying to defend that user’s parents to him. It’s trying to help him understeand, a basis through which they can perhaps decide what to do next, or not do next.
I understand it just fine. And it’s still fucked up.
“It’s okay to bomb Palestinian civilians because the Jews are God’s chosen people and the land was given to them as their divine right” is unforgivable. Yet, it’s part of my da’s religious belief because “it says so in scripture.”
If you’re using religion to justify harm, direct or indirect, you’re a shit person who has no business telling others how to live their lives. And they can shut their fucking mouths if they try to tell me how they’re the real oppressed ones.
Comparing other religions to child abusers doesn’t quite seem the best way to make your argument.
Especially because often they’re the same thing
Then you missed my argument. I’m trying to help the reader get an understanding to his family’s insanity, not say their insanity is correct. There is no knowledge that is not power. So knowing how the other side thinks is important.
Honestly, I’m sorry. That’s not very clear from your original comment.