Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine announced proposals this month that transgender advocates say could block access to gender-affirming care provided by independent clinics and general practitioners, leaving thousands of adults scrambling for treatment and facing health risks.

They would require psychiatrists, endocrinologists and medical ethicists to have roles in creating facility-wide gender-affirming care plans for patients of all ages. Patients under 21 would have to receive at least six months of mental health counseling before starting gender-affirming medication or surgery. Providers would be barred from referring minors to treatment elsewhere, such as clinics in other states.

I am fairly pro-transgender rights with some exceptions.

If anyone has read my prior post, I have always said a psychiatrist or endocrinologist should be involved with transgender people.

The law to me is a good thing. I don’t agree with the below 21, it should be 18.

I also don’t agree with the referring clause. That is good medicine to refer people to other doctors and sometimes they are outside your state.

  • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
    58·
    10 months ago

    I have no issue with a psychiatrist or an endocrinologist being involved even for adults. I think that is logical. You are jacking with hormones and that is what an endocrinologist does.

    Everyone wants in on the action because it’s a cash cow. Most of this is paid for out of pocket.

    I do not think it is overbearing to make sure the right specialists are involved.

    Kids are different. We need to let them go through puberty first since most outgrow this in puberty. I haven’t seen any recent research but it use to be in the high 80-90% outgrow it.

    If an adult has talked to the proper people and they agree on treatment, let them go at it. I am all for body autonomy. I am pro-choice for the same reason. An adult should be free to do what they want with their body with the proper experts assisting.

    • Fal@yiffit.net
      74·
      10 months ago

      Kids are different. We need to let them go through puberty first since most outgrow this in pubert

      Wtf. This is the most wrong and incredibly harmful thing you could propose. Going through the wrong puberty is exactly what causes so much distress in trans people. You people talk about not wanting kids to have irreversible things done, but then suggest they go through the puberty that will make it virtually impossible to pass as their identified gender? How absolutely fucking cruel.

      And your 80% number outgrowing it is so absolutely wrong it’s laughable. The regret rate for trans procedures is in the low single digit percentages

      • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
        25·
        10 months ago

        your 80% number outgrowing it is so absolutely wrong it’s laughable.

        You have a cite for that ?

        • Fal@yiffit.net
          33·
          10 months ago

          You want me to disprove your made up numbers? That’s not how proof or evidence or citations work

          • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
            26·
            10 months ago

            It’s reported in every academic citation. I can cite my source. You’re the first person to ever claim it’s a false number. So let’s see your cite.

              • Neuromancer@lemm.eeOPM
                16·
                10 months ago

                This is pretty well known to the people who have experience with this. Also it’s a bad faith to ask for common knowledge to be cited. Next you’ll want the sky is blue cited. It’s why Europe is changing how they deal with transgender children.

                https://www.transgendertrend.com/children-change-minds/#:~:text=Eleven studies have been conducted,continue into adulthood as transgender.

                Eleven studies have been conducted looking at whether gender dysphoria persists throughout childhood. On average 80% of children change their minds and do not continue into adulthood as transgender

                https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/441784/the-controversial-research-on-desistance-in-transgender-youth

                For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority – anywhere from 65 to 94 percent – eventually ceased to identify as transgender.

                https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/four-out-of-five-kids-who-question-their-gender-grow-out-of-it-trans-expert/amp/

                A psychiatrist who has presided over youth gender transition treatments for more than a decade says “four out of five” gender-questioning children eventually accept their bodies if no medical interventions are carried out

                • Fal@yiffit.net
                  32·
                  10 months ago

                  Did you even read your own sources?

                  The methodology of those studies is very flawed, because they didn’t study gender identity,” said Diane Ehrensaft, director of mental health at UCSF’s Child and Adolescent Gender Clinic. “Those desistors were, a good majority of them, simply proto-gay boys whose parents were upset because they were boys wearing dresses. They were brought to the clinics because they weren’t fitting gender norms.

                  That 80-90% is not children who would be given hormones or diagnosed as transgender, where it turns out it would have been a mistake. That number is any kid who had anyone question their gender identity, who at some point later, either no longer questioned their gender (or, that the study just didn’t follow up on and assumed they didn’t. Great science).

                  For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority – anywhere from 65 to 94 percent – eventually ceased to identify as transgender.

                  Again you’re being totally disingenuous. These are NOT children that “identify as transgender”.

                  And, even if your numbers were correct, what does that prove? It means we shouldn’t be very careful about giving kids hormones. Great, done, already the case. In fact, in general kids are just given hormone blockers so that they have more time to decide. Why would you want to rush a decision of this magnitude on a kid?

                  A psychiatrist who has presided over youth gender transition treatments for more than a decade says “four out of five” gender-questioning children eventually accept their bodies if no medical interventions are carried out

                  Again totally meaningless. Many people “question their gender”. No one is suggesting giving any kid who questions their gender hormones immediately.

                  For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority – anywhere from 65 to 94 percent – eventually ceased to identify as transgender.