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    My point is that everybody pays that price. They paid no more than every other person who has ever existed. Very few people actually want to die, but everybody eventually does. Those men received the same fate as the people they were fighting against. The main difference is that the world became slightly better for everybody else with every single one of them that died.

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      10 months ago

      I’ll leave you be, now that I realized most of the ignorant comments in this thread are coming from you. We probably won’t get any good conversation going.

      It may make life a little more confusing, but you might enjoy not seeing everything so black and white

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        I think you probably don’t know what the word “ignorant” means. But it sounds good, and you have nothing to reply with, so might as well lob that one out. That’ll show me!

        It may make life a little more confusing, but you might enjoy not seeing everything so black and white

        Oh, I’m sorry, you’re right. Slavery is MOSTLY bad, but you know, sometimes it was good! Or something equally stupid.

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          You go directly to an single point to vindicate a strong general stance. Go piss on there graves, who cares… They are dead and gone.

          But we all deserve our graves pissed on then, if you can simplify shit down to good and evil applied to demographics so easily.

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            You go directly to an single point to vindicate a strong general stance.

            “A single point”? My dude… fighting and dying in the cause of more slavery is one hell of a point. And what I’m wondering is why do you keep attempting to minimize that? Like it’s some trifle, like: “Oh, those crazy southerners! They had this weird fashion choice at the time where they tortured and raped people and forced them to work for no pay. So quirky!”

            But we all deserve our graves pissed on then

            Are you telling me that you own slaves? 'Cause if you own slaves, then yes. I hope that when you die, an entire conga line of people take turns pissing on your grave.

            Oh, you don’t own slaves? Then what in the blue fuck are you trying unsuccessfully to say?

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              That people under the age who were required to serve in a war under the penalty of death arent all evil, and have often been documented to purposely not actually fight.

              But celebrate pissing on them kids grave. It’ll happen to all of us anyway.

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                I’m curious as to what percentage you think that group represents of the whole number of graves in that cemetery. I’m probably going to regret doing this, but I’m going to give you a massive benefit of the doubt here, and assume that for some reason, you think that a large percentage of those graves belong to children who were forced into service and who went weeping to the front line where their chests were subsequently pierced with minié balls. And here’s why I’m going to assume that:

                If you believe that a large percentage falls into that category, then you are merely woefully misinformed, and probably a supreme optimist at heart. Ignorance isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it is bad etiquette to argue an incorrect point so vehemently when it’s incredibly easy to verify the actual truth. So the worst that I could say about you is that you have your heart in the right place, but your online etiquette could use some attention.

                However, if you don’t believe that, if you rightly believe that the group you’re referring to represents a miniscule portion of the graves in that cemetery, well then. I suppose that means that you are intentionally being obtuse about a point in an attempt to defend the people who fought and died on behalf of slavers. And that doesn’t say very many kind things about your character.

                So. Since I’m giving you a massive benefit of the doubt, here’s some demographic information about the confederate army:

                https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/who-fought

                My best guess is that this cemetery isn’t filled to the brim with buglers and drummer boys.

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                  10 months ago

                  Honestly, thet website doesnt say much. But what I gathered was

                  most Confederate soldiers were under 30. Young boys under 18 sometimes worked as drummer boys

                  only a very small percentage of them owned slaves.

                  a Confederate foot soldier was more likely to be illiterate than his Union counterpart.

                  Young, dumb as fuck, non-slave owning men fought a war under the threat of death for desertation or cowardice. Those are the truly evil ones.

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                    Young, dumb as fuck, non-slave owning men fought a war under the threat of death for desertation or cowardice. Those are the truly evil ones.

                    Hey - I acknowledge that the foot soldiers of evil aren’t usually as evil as the people in charge. I even said as much in an earlier comment in this thread. But they still fought for an evil cause. Their rich internal lives don’t matter a whit to the people they hurt. So yeah. I’m not going to be upset in the slightest at someone pissing on their graves. They’ve earned the derision with their actions.