These are the stupid ideas the Democrats come up with. There are three billionaires in Oregon. Three. If this passes I suspect they will just move.

At the federal level, this would be unconstitutional.

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      In fact, that’s how I know conservative politicians aren’t serious about the budget deficit: they quite literally never propose to increase tax revenue, only decrease social spending

      Why is it bad that conservatives only propose desirable solutions and not ones that just “fix” one problem by creating another?

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          Why the fuck would I support paying more taxes to secure the future of programs that I want thrown in the bin?

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                  The great depression did not end because of any of the social security programs. It ended because of ww2 (most of those programs were suspended or eliminated to support ww2).

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                  Subsidies =/= tax breaks. Surely you understand how giving money and not stealing are different. If not, I hope you enjoy my Christmas present of not robbing you blind.

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                I don’t mind paying taxes for things like roads, water, etc. Those are things we all need.

                I am against wealth distrubution. I don’t even mind social safety nets but we allow people to abuse them.

                The government shouldn’t be taking my money and sending it to someone else who didn’t earn it. That doesn’t create success.

                If welfare was successful then why haven’t we seen poverty eliminated? All it does is keep people on welfare and not being productive members of society.

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      It can’t. Social security is done by the Feds.

      It’s against the constitution to tax wealth. The second someone tried to pass that, it would be struck down by scotus.

      At most a state could do it and they’d lose the billionaires.

      To do this they’d have a pass an amendment and there is zero chance they’ll happen.

      And when have democrats radically raised taxes? Trump was the last one to screw with high income tax earners with the salt limit

      https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/is-a-wealth-tax-constitutional

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    Stupid democrat idea: tax people that won’t even feel it, vs. stupid republican idea:

    https://taxjustice.net/faq/does-cutting-taxes-boost-the-economy/ "Does cutting taxes boost the economy and lead to more taxes? Cutting taxes does not boost economic growth nor lead to more taxes being collected. The notion that it does, known as the Laffer Curve hypothesis, has been widely discredited. Late President George H.W. Bush described the hypothesis as “voodoo economics”.

    The Laffer Curve – named after economist Arthur Laffer who drew his theory in the form of a graph on the back of a napkin for Dick Cheney, who would later become U.S. Vice-President and popularise the hypothesis – predicts that cutting taxes ultimately increases tax revenues by creating an explosion of economic dynamism and reduces tax avoidance."

    It’s been tried for years and it hasn’t worked. It doesn’t work. The only people who benefit from lower taxes are the crooks who keep calling for more tax cuts.

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      After every tax cut we see an increase in revenue.

      So yes, it does work.

      Can you show the math where it doesn’t ?

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      The article is misstating the Laffer curve but considering it is coming for a left site I am not surprised. The Laffer curve isn’t as simple as cut taxes and revenue will increase.

      It is about finding the right place for taxes to increase the revenue.

      https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

      Maybe instead of citing a lefty site, you should actually read what it is.

      It suggests that taxes could be too low or too high to produce maximum revenue and both a 0% income tax rate and a 100% income tax rate generate $0 in receipts.

      It’s why it’s a curve and not a line.

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        Is it prohibited?

        If not, where in the constitution does it say that eating ice cream is legal?

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          Yes it’s prohibited. We had to add an amendment to allow taxation and wealth was not included.

          Have you ever read the amendment ?

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            No, I haven’t read the USA constitution.

            Odd that the constitution prohibit taxation based on income levels

            Don’t you have tax brackets or anything in the USA? What about taxes on stocks and stuff like that?

            I guess another amendment should be in order.

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              Yes, we have tax brackets and taxes on sold stocks. That is income which is allowed.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

              Now a state could potentially do a wealth tax but the federal government cannot. I am not a fan when senators push unconstitutional ideas for brownie points. It would need an amendment to do it and it would never pass.

              Democrats keep trying to push unrealized gains taxes which is a horrible idea.

              Let’s say you own a stock and it goes up in value and now you are a billionaire. When that stock is sold, you pay taxes on the gain. That is fair.

              What the Democrats are proposing is you pay taxes on the stock even though it could drop to 0 tomorrow. That is unfair. That would cause the stock market to collapse which would destroy retirement accounts and pensions. Democrats don’t get stocks are what drive pensions and 401k. They influence the stock market more than billionaires.

              Normally the stock sales would be a capital gain. That has a lower tax rate. They should allow something like 300K in capital gains per year then the rest would be ordinary income tax with social security, etc taken out.

              ETA: This is just a politician pandering for attention. It is look at the ‘evil’ billionaires. I could give two shits about them. They do not impact my life.

              What I do care about is the politicians who don’t do shit and want to point the finger at other people.

              Elon was attacked by Warran and Bernie that he didn’t pay enough in taxes. The two idiots didn’t realize his income was 1 dollar. How much taxes should he pay on 1 dollar? That in my opinion is a loophole we need to fix but that is another story. They always want to point the finger but can’t be bothered to realize they look silly.

              In most years we all make more than Elon.