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    11 months ago

    No. States don’t have full autonomy. They have regulations as well as everyone else. SCOTUS has final say if the law is constitutional.

    Not a lawyer but the issue I see he hasn’t been convicted of anything close to rebellion.

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      Not a lawyer but the issue I see he hasn’t been convicted of anything close to rebellion.

      The 14th specifies no requirement for conviction. And historical precedent* has been set such that it does not require conviction.

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          Autocorrect is the bane of the world. Sometimes it helps. Sometimes it’s a lethal weapon.

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        Is there precedent? I’m not aware of anyone else who’s been banned from elections for insurrection, but this also isn’t my area. I kind of assumed it would follow the ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’ thing, but I also don’t know how much of a hard and fast rule that is for this type of crime.

        I am genuinely curious. I kind of assumed he would never actually be charged and the amendment could never be invoked as a result.

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        Not sure what you mean by historical presidents. Did you mean precedence ? Prior cases we people who actually formed a new country. I’m not aware of anything other cases where there was a riot alone. Can you cite a prior case where they were not in a state that rebelled ?

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          I do not accept your attempt to move the goal posts. Your claim was about whether conviction was necessary. It is not.

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            It’s not moving the goalpost.

            I suspect because he was never part of a rebellion, has not been charged with it or convicted of it, scotus will reject the courts opinion. The previous cases didn’t need a conviction because it was considered de facto

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        I dislike Trump. I met him in person when he was a liberal democrat. He’s not a conservative. That said, I do not think he tried to overthrow the government and I agree. It’s a dangerous precedent. Let the voters decide. I think of Trump had left with grace, he’d stomp Biden in the next election. Instead he’s thrown a childish shit fit and that turns a lot of people off. I won’t vote for Biden but that doesn’t mean I’lol vote for Trump. In 2016 I didn’t vote because both were garbage.