• AnObscureTenet@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    146
    ·
    1 year ago

    I want to be mad but FFS Reddit had Conde Nast money for most of its shittery so they had NO excuse except incompetence.

    At least Fediverse servers are typically Steve’s old laptop or some shit so it’s understandable.

    • ShittyKopper [they/them]@lemmy.w.on-t.work
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      99
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      It’s generally more like “Steve’s 10 eur/mo cloud server in which they run ten other things next to Lemmy, which is written by two devs and barely held together by duct tape and prayers”

      But that doesn’t change the overall point.

      • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        24
        ·
        1 year ago

        it’s that cheap? If I spun up an instance and paid less than $150 how many users would I be able to have before it implodes?

        • ShittyKopper [they/them]@lemmy.w.on-t.work
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          27
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          The instance I’m replying from is a 5 eur/mo box from Hetzner.

          Your main concerns are gonna be active user count & storage space. Especially if you decide to allow image or god forbid video uploads. Having a bunch of inactive users aren’t going to affect costs that much as long as they don’t have, like, a milion subscriptions. (If they’re all subscribed to the same community things will “deduplicate”)

          • lukenamop@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            1 year ago

            Do you have any specific resources or suggestions? I’m a software dev with lots of DigitalOcean experience looking to host my own instance. Also, can you log in to wefwef through your instance, or how do you access everything, specifically on mobile?

            • ShittyKopper [they/them]@lemmy.w.on-t.work
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              Depending on how well you know your way around, my recommendation is to not use the Ansible setup but instead treat it as documentation while doing things your way. It has quite a bit of strange stuff going on (postfix? two nginx installs with only one being in a container?) and seems to be missing important things such as SSH hardening. It also assumes it’ll be the only thing running in your server just in general (horrible yet common practice, unfortunately) so if you have anything set up it may or may not clobber over it to do things it’s own way, and end up breaking something.

              Also, can you log in to wefwef through your instance, or how do you access everything, specifically on mobile?

              I haven’t tried wefwef in particular but all native apps I tried work just fine. An issue I can see cropping up from wefwef is that Lemmy’s CORS policies are way too restrictive by default. No idea if they do any kind of proxying to get around that but that would be the main issue I’d imagine.

            • ShittyKopper [they/them]@lemmy.w.on-t.work
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              There are many guides on getting started with Linux servers as a whole. I recommend installing Debian Bookworm on a virtual machine or a spare laptop at first and going through the writeups all major cloud providers have, just to get a feel for using the terminal & initial setup (SSH hardening and reverse proxy configuration and so on)

              After getting an initial feel for Linux admining, start reading up on Docker, Docker Compose, and containers in general. Avoid Podman until you’re experienced with Docker as it’s just different enough to trip you up. You can also check out LXC/LXD although it’s way less popular.

              Be careful of guides that are old (even a year makes a difference) or for different “distros” than the one you have. An exception for the second case is the Arch Linux wiki, which is one of the best resources just in general, aside from a few Arch specific bits like the exact package names to install. You should also use Arch’s “man pages” reference, as they’re built from the latest versions of packages compared to other man page renderers that are frequently outdated (like die.net)

              Lemmy itself is harder to get right because the instructions so far are intended for people who kinda know what they’re doing, but once you have the base Linux admin knowledge, it won’t be that hard to pick up the parts necessary to get working with something like Lemmy.

              • Thteven@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                19
                ·
                1 year ago

                That’s because he wants all 55 million active users accessing his servers so he shove ads down their throats.

              • pannacotta__@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                8
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                To be fair, Reddit is a lot bigger than any Lemmy instance, and Lemmy instances have the benefit of being decentralised, so the load is on many different servers owned by different people as opposed to one group of servers owned by one company.

        • SwallowsDick@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          1 year ago

          Honestly, it’s negligent if a major company does host their own servers at this point. Big cloud server companies specialize in that and can do it better than others, with better guarantees of stability and maintenance. Pretty much the reason people specialize in everything else.

          • AnObscureTenet@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            17
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            What you’re saying here is literally a punchline in infosec because of how many breaches are down to incompetent cloud service providers, because said cloud service providers take security about as seriously as the aforementioned c-suite does.

            *EDIT No, the c-suite thing doesn’t make sense. Shut up. I recast this post and removed a bit. I don’t need your approval. I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS

              • AnObscureTenet@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                You are entirely ignorant of how anything works. There’s no “liability” unless they seriously fuck a goat. Downtime is expected and, in fact, built into contracts. X amount of downtime for service, Y amount for unforeseen circumstances, Z amount for shiggles. There may be some prorating built into it, but even that will be after a certain amount of downtime.

                No matter how you slice it the only reason anyone uses cloud services is to cut costs. There actual facts simply do not pan out when you’re talking about security.

                • SwallowsDick@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Those contracts are exactly what I mean. A certain, small amount of downtime is allowed for, and it’s expected to be fixed shortly. If either of those things aren’t true, then the business is in breach of that agreement.

                  Anyway no u r ignorant. Peace out

                • s_s@lemmy.one
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  No matter how you slice it the only reason anyone uses cloud services is to cut costs.

                  Businesses chose cloud providers because they think that it will cut costs.

      • nikdog@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        17
        ·
        1 year ago

        But I know where OC was coming from, 15-25 years ago it would have been the crap old laptop, the cardboard box server, the DEC PDP-11 the University is still powering for some reason.

      • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        it’s that cheap? If I spun up an instance and paid less than $150 how many users would I be able to have before it implodes?

    • eu8@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      1 year ago

      Reddit’s database was pretty poorly designed. They designed it to be really flexible so they could make changes easily early on, but it was highly inefficient. I don’t know if it’s still like that, but the old website’s source code is public and it is very inefficient.