I mean the amount Injuries players are getting not just at United but other teams as well. Surely there is enough evidence out there footballers play too much.
But this is what capitalism does to a product, its squeezing as much money as they can out of product while the quality collapses.
I’m actually really surprised to see anti-capitalist sentiment on a subreddit as big as r/soccer.
I was thinking today about how we Manchester United fans complain about how bad our ownership is and how we have absolutely zero say over who gets to be in charge of the club we love.
Which got me wondering what a socialist ownership of a football club would look like. Usually it would mean complete employee ownership of the club meaning the staff would have a say in any decisions made, but for a football club, it’s just as important to invlove the fans.
I know the Bundesliga has the 50+1 rule but I view that more as a concession by the capitalists rather than an out-and-out socialist model of ownership.
I genuinely thought this sub was full of liberals so I’m glad I can get this thought out of my head without (hopefully) getting downvoted to fuck.
It’s a bit ironical, considering how much we fans are against this concept, but a super league could actually be better for the players. With the clubs being owners of the league they’d be able to dictate how many games there would be. Right now they’re part of 3-4 different competitions that all want the teams to play as many games as possible for their competition.
I kinda agree but the big clubs will adapt and they are the ones playing the most games, bigger squads with options to rotate players might be the solution. Man City is kinda doing that already at least when it comes to the back line and wingers. It won’t be easy though for a manager to know when to rest his best players.
Going to get even worse with the expanded champions league and club World Cup too. All the PL teams in Europe, plus Chelsea and Tottenham are already so injury hit and we’ve not even got to the busy part of the season
Literally all of the major tournaments are getting bigger. Next Champions League is bigger, next Euros is bigger, next World Cup is bigger, next Club World Cup is bigger. This is only going to get worse for the players.
its squeezing as much money as they can out of product while the quality collapses.
Not really, there are better ways to make money from football than more games. Just look at american football. They play 17 games once a week. And its the most commercialised sport in the world.
There are ways to make stupid amounts of money without running the players into the ground.
But either way fans get fucked. Either through paying more for TV for more games or through a worse experience with mid game ads
Yeah the nfl has still fucked itself. They’ve added the 17th game which was a mistake, they add more Thursday games which are almost poor quality.
The concession is they’ve massively reduced practise time, which is lowering quality among the teams.
The rookie contract structure is almost massively hurting team quality, because teams overly rely on less experienced players, that aren’t able to gain experience in padded practice.
Theyre getting away with it because the American appetite for football is insatiable at the minute and they’re realised the same thing as the premier league. The games don’t have to be good.
A big part of the issue in football is that every federation is competing for a bigger piece of the pie. UEFA want more European games and FIFA want a bigger club world cup. Meanwhile CAF will always want AFCOn to run every 2 years as it’s their cash cow, and similar with other international federations.
Another advantage that NFL has is that all teams are at a more similar level, so more games feel big. This means that they’ll get good viewership if they’re spread out over the week, whereas I don’t think many people are excited to watch Wolves Vs Fulham on a Monday night.
When you have so many players getting injured, especially young players, there is no point talking about money, it could hinder football quality for a whole generation.
Every team in the Championship plays 48 games, every team in League 1 and League 2 plays 51 if they get knocked out of every cup at the first possible opportunity and don’t make the promotion playoffs.
It’s not about compensation, but about the threshold of what the human body can endure. Players are getting injured so often they cannot catch a break to heal properly, because there is yet another game and their teammates are getting injured too, because they had to play more to cover for other injured players. Vicious circle.
I mean the amount Injuries players are getting not just at United but other teams as well. Surely there is enough evidence out there footballers play too much.
But this is what capitalism does to a product, its squeezing as much money as they can out of product while the quality collapses.
I see it as more likely that instead of having less games we reduce the amount of matches each player takes part in.
So we for example set a cap of 50 games per player and they can’t play more than 6 times in a month.
Perhaps even limits on minutes for players returning from injury.
They should just rotate more. It’s in their interest to avoid overworking the players too
They all know it’s a problem but hope to kick the can down the road and let someone else fix it.
Managers would happily risk ruining a player’s career by running him into the ground if it meant winning titles this season.
You see the same in Formula 1 now, with drivers complaining that their bodies aren’t made for the amount of races.
I’m actually really surprised to see anti-capitalist sentiment on a subreddit as big as r/soccer.
I was thinking today about how we Manchester United fans complain about how bad our ownership is and how we have absolutely zero say over who gets to be in charge of the club we love.
Which got me wondering what a socialist ownership of a football club would look like. Usually it would mean complete employee ownership of the club meaning the staff would have a say in any decisions made, but for a football club, it’s just as important to invlove the fans.
I know the Bundesliga has the 50+1 rule but I view that more as a concession by the capitalists rather than an out-and-out socialist model of ownership.
I genuinely thought this sub was full of liberals so I’m glad I can get this thought out of my head without (hopefully) getting downvoted to fuck.
It’s a bit ironical, considering how much we fans are against this concept, but a super league could actually be better for the players. With the clubs being owners of the league they’d be able to dictate how many games there would be. Right now they’re part of 3-4 different competitions that all want the teams to play as many games as possible for their competition.
I kinda agree but the big clubs will adapt and they are the ones playing the most games, bigger squads with options to rotate players might be the solution. Man City is kinda doing that already at least when it comes to the back line and wingers. It won’t be easy though for a manager to know when to rest his best players.
Going to get even worse with the expanded champions league and club World Cup too. All the PL teams in Europe, plus Chelsea and Tottenham are already so injury hit and we’ve not even got to the busy part of the season
Literally all of the major tournaments are getting bigger. Next Champions League is bigger, next Euros is bigger, next World Cup is bigger, next Club World Cup is bigger. This is only going to get worse for the players.
Not really, there are better ways to make money from football than more games. Just look at american football. They play 17 games once a week. And its the most commercialised sport in the world.
There are ways to make stupid amounts of money without running the players into the ground.
But either way fans get fucked. Either through paying more for TV for more games or through a worse experience with mid game ads
NFL squads are literally 100 players.
Yeah the nfl has still fucked itself. They’ve added the 17th game which was a mistake, they add more Thursday games which are almost poor quality.
The concession is they’ve massively reduced practise time, which is lowering quality among the teams.
The rookie contract structure is almost massively hurting team quality, because teams overly rely on less experienced players, that aren’t able to gain experience in padded practice.
Theyre getting away with it because the American appetite for football is insatiable at the minute and they’re realised the same thing as the premier league. The games don’t have to be good.
A big part of the issue in football is that every federation is competing for a bigger piece of the pie. UEFA want more European games and FIFA want a bigger club world cup. Meanwhile CAF will always want AFCOn to run every 2 years as it’s their cash cow, and similar with other international federations.
Another advantage that NFL has is that all teams are at a more similar level, so more games feel big. This means that they’ll get good viewership if they’re spread out over the week, whereas I don’t think many people are excited to watch Wolves Vs Fulham on a Monday night.
Eh only the best of best are playing too much. And they get compensated more, waaayyyy more than enough for that.
When you have so many players getting injured, especially young players, there is no point talking about money, it could hinder football quality for a whole generation.
Every team in the Championship plays 48 games, every team in League 1 and League 2 plays 51 if they get knocked out of every cup at the first possible opportunity and don’t make the promotion playoffs.
Not really trye, teams in league 2 for example play a shit ton of games every season.
It’s not about compensation, but about the threshold of what the human body can endure. Players are getting injured so often they cannot catch a break to heal properly, because there is yet another game and their teammates are getting injured too, because they had to play more to cover for other injured players. Vicious circle.