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Ehh
So many childish and straight up bad takes here (capitalism fault, environment, bla bla) What it boils down to is what average stress load can a footballer physically take and the lack of transparency what is expected in terms of a football club.
If they recognise, on average, that the amount of games exceeds the possibility for the average player, then a) they make it clear that clubs should structure around creating more squad depth to enable rotation and look at transfer policy in a more well-rounded squad than paying stupid money for the ideal 11. Or b) cut on games and competitions that aren’t necessary (league cup). The base problem is that clubs are over-paying on transfer and player salaries, which incentivises the need for more matches.
Clubs just need to get it out of their heads that they have to succumb to stupid transfer fees.
How is “capitalism’s fault” a childish excuse, it’s a genuine reason why there’s too many games, so the Premier League, UEFA, FIFA etc. can be greedy and make more money
That’s what capitalism is
A socialist system would also extort as many games as possible out of the players. If anything capitalist systems have proven to be far more responsive to overtaxing resources, whereas historically socialist systems are hesitant to reduce production of a good or service.
I don’t think a socialist system is the best solution either
A more moderate, less greedy capitalist system would be good, like making teams in Europe unable to participate in the League cup, and maybe reducing the teams in the Prem and have less games in pre season
Reducing the league cup games only delegitimises the competition. The better solution, objectively, is to reduce the number of european games played. Imo jt should be a straight knockout, no group stage games.
It isn’t. It’s overspending. Which has nothing to do with economic system. But straight up poor club management. You can set rules like budget or salary limit without a systematic change.
That’s why dying “capitalism bad” is a dumb and childish statement.
The environment, too. The planet is collapsing, but because it isn’t a televised sport, we don’t see it. Puts people being off being happy and buying things, if we saw what is happening and how rapidly it’s getting worse.
We can’t keep acting as though all that matters is more entertainment in our lives.
The entertainment being provided so we will buy lifestyles is not sustainable. We all know it.
What?
How is this related to this post at all lmfao.
they are just saying the amount of plane rides teams do is bad for the planet too, is that really difficult to understand lol
Competitions = Money = Tax = Theoretically more ability to invest in green infrastructure.
A lot of emissions is a money issue. Europe for example is over the curve and reducing emissions. Unfortunately the rest of the world got richer and worldwide emissions keep going up.
However I hate this stupid argument. Because its a drop of water in an ocean. Honestly not worth the argument.
If it was only teams it would be okay. But for big clubs you have thousands of travelling fans as well
Hopefully, many of those travel by train or bus and don’t use planes but yeah, cars suck as well.
Football players have crossed the limits of what they can handle. We can see that because we watch them play.
The planet has also crossed the limits of what it can handle, but most people are trying to ignore it, and keep eating meat when they like, flying when they like, and consuming as much as they like.
Climate change pollution keeps rising, every year, despite all the green energy infrastructure that’s been built. People don’t see the collapse of our survivable environment, like they see footballers collapsing because they’ve been overplayed.
Like with Qatar and the Saudis taking over the World Cup, the next COP talks on how to deal with climate change have been taken over by the USE so that they can make sure we aren’t doing what we need to do and deal with their business model.
Thought I’d remind everyone that a more important situation is also passing what it can handle. If we don’t reduce consumption seriously, now, all the scientists are saying we face disaster.
If we don’t stop being ‘entertained’ by the expansion of consumption created by the money spent by oil states, we will be living on a planet that we can’t survive on.
Hope that’s explained it to you.
You’re way to pesismistic. Europe is geographically the least affected area by climate change. Its also the place reducing emissions the most. Ironically funded by european tax, which football contributes to.
Go speak to the rest of the world and not on a european football competition post. Because they are the ones that will suffer, and we’re the ones reducing emissions.
we will be living on a planet that we can’t survive on.
Not true in the slightest. Humans have suffered through far more dramatic climate shifts than even worst case models - whilst being significantly less technologically able. There is 0 risk we cannot survive on this planet in europe.
Now go back to watching football, might cheer you up. No point being depressed.
Absolutely, some of the flights you hear about these teams taking are so pitifully short its mental.
Yup. The whole world can’t sustain our habits in the first world. Gotta be some sort of systemic comprehensive change otherwise our children will inherit an alien planet
I agree with him 100%. It’s why most of the big clubs have bigger squads and players with some good versatility, so help cover multiple positions and allow others to rest. It’s hard on the smaller teams and those with less back up options in their squads. Brighton especially seem to be decimated with injuries whilst also having to factor in a European schedule.
It really hurts smaller teams.
We have so many out injured and we just dont have any depth to cover it up. We had 3 players on the bench yesterday that arent supposed to be close to the first team yet.
Im surprised the most upvoted comments wasn’t a “Erik ten excuses” joke.
The bigger clubs usually had more matches. But with addition of conference league, the smaller clubs are beginning to feel the same pain
Oh yeah thats a good point. Here in the eredivisie, with recent coefficient points we have and the conference league, 8th place will already play europa games. Thats the half of the league where it used to be (on the top of my head) first champipns league play offs and second europa league play offs
There’s always been 7-8 slots in Europe, and smaller clubs have always struggled with it. Stoke, Swansea, West Ham basically threw a qualifier one year to avoid it.
That’s why I’m so grateful for Darmian. Without him we’d have been in the mud last year and even this year with Pavard going down and also Dumfries having no backup
As an Arsenal fan, I’m really grateful we have Trossard and Tomiyasu. Both can cover multiple positions and both are really talented footballers.
Kai plays LB too
Timber was supposed to be that as well :(
Chelsea have enough players to rotate for another 2 more competitions. Best club ITW /s
Newcastle had 10 squad members (and Elliot Anderson who’s u21 but a key squad member) out against Chelsea, we’ve got 2 games a week till Xmas.
Even with a decent 25 man squad we’re at bare bones, we named 4 keepers and mostly kids on our bench, and started a 17y/o…
There’s tough schedules and there’s ridiculous schedules. Next year’s changes to the champions league will add another burden for most clubs competing in that.
And then the double side of that is if you lose European football you can’t afford to expand your squad to much or have tonnes of players in a non Euro season who just won’t get enough football, so aside from teams who can stay in the top 3 regularly to build a massive squad, it just becomes a massive gamble on injuries.
Yeah, if this keeps up it’s gonna become really important to have a versatile squad and bench. Having players who can only play one position is gonna be a luxury
Pep was way ahead of the curve on this one.
I remember pundits completely losing it back then lol
“It’s disrespectful!” :D
Managers occasionally used to complain about CL clubs resting players and fielding weakened sides against their opposition.
The same managers then started resting their best players against Mourinho’s Chelsea to preserve their strength for matches they had a chance of winning, and everyone just kind of accepted that rotation is what we do now.
Claudio Ranieri was first manager I remember who really started rotating players in the Premiership. The British press nicknamed him the tinkerman because of it
Emma Hayes has been building her Chelsea Women squad in this mould for years too. So many versatile players. Genuinely at least half of the squad can play at least three different positions.
Erin Cuthbert is her dream. Has played wing back on both flanks, defensive midfield, box-to-box, attacking midfield, both wings.
A lot is made of CFCW’s depth in terms of numbers, but it’s the versatility that is key - and Hayes has built it that way.
Didn’t help Wenger that much tbh, we were always crippled by injuries come Feb
Mostly because refs back then were totally cool with allowing teams to just kick them off the park
Europa has always been difficult for teams to handle. You often saw teams qualify and then next season be battling relegation. This isn’t a new phenomenon.
The thing is that the top teams in most leagues are rather stable and can plan on playing international football (and reaping the corresponding revenue and prize money) every season, so that they can afford to build large squads geared toward playing in 3/4 competitions. On the #6 or #7 spots, there is typically far higher volatility from year to year, so these clubs neither have the large squad, nor can they build one based on a one-off participation in international competition.
We had 4 different competitions AND a winter World Cup AND a messed up schedule due to the queen’s death last season, it was fucking absurd watching us playing every 3 days
This year should have been postponed like three weeks or so.
The injuries are mad this season.
It’s not just the amount of matches but also the stop start nature of VAR and playing 50-55 minute halves mean it’s becoming a joke.
Every team seems to be having an injury crisis. Limping across the line to the next international break.
That’s why the big clubs invest in good substitute players as they need to be rotated. I may get it wrong, but it seems like he is trying to make excuses by blaming the schedule instead of his coaching skill.
Nothing shows the bias of this sub than when a united player/manager says the exact same thing as Liverpool/city/Chelsea.
“Just buy more players” is an absolutely terrible take on an issue pretty much everyone agrees is a problem
Ty next
Dear ETH, this is not the Dutch league.
People here are all for agreeing about too many matches etc. but the next time a smaller team attempts to play defensively and “boring” against a bigger side it will all be calls for stop clocks and defending having 15 minutes added on at the end of games because “The ball was only in play X amount of minutes!”
The complete hypocritical attitudes that appeare from the same people depending on the thread title and what the sentiment is within the comment section when they arrive is very tiring.
He sent away the biggest player in football history, he received the biggest loss against their biggest rival, he destroyed the career of one of football biggest promises, he just lost against a random team from Denmark, once he gets sacked not only United, but football as a whole should feel relief
oh so now he’s an advocate for player welfare…
Is this Ten Hag’s excuse for some of his players and club staff that seem incapable of healthy relationships with women and treating them like actual human beings?
I know r/soccer hates Newcastle but what’s happening to them at the moment is a poster for what’s wrong here (so are Brighton, and others, and indeed most clubs have big injury lists).
Club gets to the champions league spot for the 1st time in ages, spends basically the max allowed by FFP to try to increase the squad to cope but it’s nowhere near enough. Yesterday 10+ out after getting several back post international break. Their 25 man squad left the line up as including a 17 year old in the first 11, 3 goalkeepers on the bench, 4 kids with basically 0 prem mins and 2 semi-retired lads whose ages probably sum to 112.
If we’re not to change to less games, do away with injury time (by punishing harshly any time wasting perhaps?). Or could some forced rotation work - eg in baseball they often play 5 days in a row but have different pitchers each day. Could limit the number of starters who are allowed to play a mid-week game after playing 70+mins at the weekend.
Prem should make squad caps larger at the least if the schedule must be like this
My only worry with increasing the squad size is that it would make the league even more uneven, as the big clubs hoover up more talent.
plays bruno once again
Difficult to disagree looking at the injuries. United have 7-8 injured currently and many of them key players.