To my knowledge, the concept of “conservatism” is the will to conserve, preserve past values that are seen as superior. While I don’t agree with this either, this community has almost exclusively posts about fearing new things and trying to show them as evil. Evil migrants, evil new generations, evil new sexualities, whatever.

I do not see any “values” in it, only fear. Rejecting migrants is not based on morals or values that are rational, but on fear. Same for the rest. Which leads to the question, what is the point of this community? It does not lead to debate, people calling it out as fascism on one side (which is quite justified as the root ideas are seemingly identical) and the other side just saying that it’s wrong and that’s it. There’s no debate of values, as there are no values to debate about.

I do not agree with the concept of conservatism, and I couldn’t care less if this place is forever doomed to be downvoted in oblivion. But if you actually want to do something else than fear-mongering, even if you insist on talking about conservatism, then maybe it would be a good idea to refocus the community on actual ideas, and not the typical far-right speeches of hatred and fear that already flood a lot of media.

Of course I believe that it would be better to reconsider opinions that basically encourage the worst of humanity; but even aside from that, there is more to do than to replace every possibility of a conversation with the (stereo)typical “immigrants bad, jesus good, gays evil” speech.

    • Carvex@lemmy.world
      345·
      1 year ago

      Our side may support Nazis but at least we keep the wrong people from being happy…

    • Neuromancer@lemm.eeM
      18·
      1 year ago

      It always cracks me up how wrong liberals are about everything.

      I support a single payer system.

      Even Trump praised it.

      https://pnhp.org/news/trumps-forbidden-love-single-payer-health-care/

      Maybe you’re a closet conservative and you didn’t even know it.

      The major debate is how to fund it, how to change the system and not end your like Canada or Europe where it’s in name only. I don’t want Medicare for all. I want something more akin to the Australian system.

        • Neuromancer@lemm.eeM
          14·
          1 year ago

          If we don’t fix our shit now, we are going to sail past the 2.5° mark. That is going to risk a food chain collapse, which would be a mass extinction level event. And that’s only one of many of the >disastrous effects.

          You realize the Earth has done that in the past as well? We survived. We will adapt.

          It isn’t. There are few sciences as close in agreement as climate science. The overwhelming consensus (97%) within the scientific community is that it is happening, and that it is man made.

          You just ignored everything I said because you were excited to repeat that trope. Follow the money.

          https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money

          That point being that there is mountains of evidence showing that climate change is happening, and it is human caused.

          Do you even read what anyone says? Or is this an attempt at a straw man. I clearly pointed out the climate it changing as it has since the inception of time.

          That’s not how science or the peer review process works. The scientific method takes money to be able to experiment. Do you think climate monitoring satellites are just free?

          Are you a doctor? I am, so don’t tell me how the process works. I am published, you are not. Money taints the process. It’s a well known fact that money taints the results.

          https://www.businessinsider.com/how-money-is-a-problem-for-science-2016-7

          Not sure what you think satellites have to do with what I said.