- Some European NATO members are talking about putting their troops in Ukraine.
- Estonia’s PM said allies shouldn’t fear that troops doing training there would escalate the war.
- Some want their allies to consider similar action, saying Russia is a threat to Europe.
You’re misunderstanding where my concerns are placed, and why.
Imagine a Russian cruise missile volley hits the mess hall, or barracks, and kills 30-50 Americans.
What happens when another strike kills 15 UK troops the following week?
Yes, we both agree that Ukraine needs support, and much more then they’re getting.
But I don’t think you’re fully appreciating the risks associated with deploying active duty NATO troops to Ukraine.
I fully understand, and those are indeed risks. But I said in my last paragraph. I don’t think Russia is looking for that kind of escalation either.
I doubt the escalation of the west will lead to troops in the trenches, but if it leads to combat sorties, closed sky over Ukraine and fully opened arsenals. That’s OK right?
It’s NOT just about what Russia wants…
This is the type of plan that hawks in the west would draw up because THEY want the casus belli to justify deploying combat troops.
That’s my point. Those risks are intentionally high, because that’s what they want.
And no, that’s not okay. Russia has no chance to win a conventional conflict against the West, period.
What do you think they’ll do to avoid that crushing defeat by NATO forces right on their border, and within their occupied territory?
I don’t think Russia will do much else than now.
Using a Nuke is not realistically an option as they would isolate themselves from China and put all countries on the fence in the position that they have to choose.
I can also imagine that sanctions will be changed to “nothing regardless of potential use”.
…are you seriously claiming that a direct conflict with NATO forces on their borders, or within their occupied territories, wouldn’t change Russia’s strategic calculus in regards to the use of nuclear weapons?
Please, tell me what base of geopolitical knowledge, or Russian military doctrine, are you basing this on?
Because every white paper and analysis of Russian First Strike Doctrine that I’ve read, would seem to fly in the face of your claims. So… please put my mind at rest and show me the sources that I’m missing here.
No, off course it changes it. But so does it change for other countries if Nuclear weapons are used. And I’ll leave it at that.
I also believe what you are doing is called concern trolling so I won’t continue this back and forth.
Ah, so I guess that’s a “no” on you providing a single source to backup your claims, or disprove mine.
Nice touch claiming that I’m “concern trolling”, but it’s pretty obvious who the troll is here.
What proof… you don’t have any proof either… except for the statements by a regime that has been outright lying and bluffing this entire war. And was called on their bluf so many times we lost count.
There is no telling what a power mad dictator will do when threatened. And I agree their calculation on the use of nuclear weapons MIGHT change. But the counterweight to that is that many many more countries will isolate them and the question will be if this moves the needle in any discernible way towards actual use.
And countering my calling out your concern trolling with “no, you are” does not take away that you are here amplifying Kremlin talking points and trying to Stoke fear on the use of nuclear weapons (without actually saying nuclear) by the evil Z idiots.
Edit: jeez it seems the trolls of Lemmygrad are leaking again.
Start here:
https://www.fpri.org/article/2023/07/russias-nuclear-policy-after-ukraine/
https://www.ft.com/content/f18e6e1f-5c3d-4554-aee5-50a730b306b7
https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-nuclear-doctrine
Pay close attention to parts that discuss strategy and doctrine regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
Also, lol at your lame personal attacks. Either get educated on the topics you speak on, or just shut up.
It seems to me that all your claims are based on a mixture of your feels and "trust me bro".
Russia is killing people every day and will continue to do so. When you are afraid to help your neighbor from an aggressor, who will help you when it’s your turn?