• deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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          5 months ago

          You reject first hand experience because it conflicts with your political biases.

          Please tell me o wise traveler, how us Bay Area residents should convert full freeway lanes into unused bike lanes.

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            5 months ago

            No I reject it because sounds like every other time I’ve heard push back on bike lanes. My city is currently going through a similar fight and I have heard your argument several times with no backing information.

            Your comment doesn’t pass the smell test.

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                5 months ago

                Your response to asking for a source was to claim expertise, not do what another commentor did and actually give sources that can be referenced.

                Yours is an unvetted opinion.

                See the difference? I have no ability to check your bias or info other than your post history. Not to mention it sound like an ad hominem.

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      Approximately 68 cyclist use the bridge per day (3 orders of magnitude fewer than cars. Perhaps if it were within 1 order, it would make a difference).

      https://tombutt.com/richmond-san-rafael-bridge-bike-path-enters-final-year-of-trial-run-east-bay-times-12-2-2022/

      https://abc7news.com/post/access-bike-path-richmond-san-rafael-bridge-limited-converted-breakdown-lane/17466859/

      https://www.kqed.org/news/12017869/will-the-richmond-san-rafael-bridge-bike-lane-stay-its-still-uncertain

      “Vast majority use it for exercise or recreation, not commuting” https://www.kqed.org/news/12017869/will-the-richmond-san-rafael-bridge-bike-lane-stay-its-still-uncertain

      Pedestrian use is even lower https://www.kqed.org/news/12017869/will-the-richmond-san-rafael-bridge-bike-lane-stay-its-still-uncertain

      So perhaps 5 cars are taken off the road, at most, vs 67,000 cars.

      Thats really making a difference. Great use of resources.

      How many years, at even a dozen cars per day, to amortize the carbon footprint of the concrete used, let alone the equipment (diesel fuel), steel, asphalt/macadam, etc?

      This project was an environmental net negative, and will never become positive.

      I’m all for such projects, but far too often the bigger picture isn’t considered, it’s just a feel-good. Let’s do what actually makes a difference, otherwise we’re making things worse.

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        5 months ago

        If you want to talk bigger picture… they built a pedestrian/bike lane with zero access/amenities at either end (unlike the Bay Bridge). No staging area to load/unload your bike, no parking, no bathrooms, no water fountains. Good luck finding all-day parking on city streets in Pt. Richmond or… San Quentin.

        Here are the directions: https://marinbike.org/news/getting-to-from-the-r-sr-bridge-pathway/

        Once approaching/getting off the bridge, if commuting by bike, there is no direct connection to the Bay Trail. So anyone living in Marin and wanting to commute to, say, Berkeley or El Cerrito so they can get on BART (or even the Richmond Ferry) has to risk going through heavily industrial areas or dicey parts of Richmond. On the Marin side to/from Larkspur Landing, you had to ride unprotected on the shoulder of the freeway!

        Only way to use it for commuters on either end would be to park and ride, but again, no parking and ride facilities. And there’s any wonder more people don’t use it? There’s wide open space at either end of the bridge to build staging areas, especially on the Richmond side right near the Toll Plaza, but nobody wants to make it easy. It’s such a gauntlet I’m amazed that many people use it.

        The solution to traffic congestion is to make public transit and alternate forms of transportation more cost-effective, functional, and convenient. That includes offering easy transition/transfer points. It isn’t to open more driving lanes. They’ve known this since the days of Robert Moses in NYC, but keep doing it.

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        5 months ago

        I am thankful for the article links, but how many edits are you at?