Micael Johansson, the CEO of Swedish company Saab, confirmed to Swedish media that Portugal and Canada are studying whether to buy the JAS 39 Gripen E/F fighter jet.

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    6 days ago

    This was already covered in great detail all over the internet, but the main two factors are:

    1. Stealth. The F-35 is much harder to detect, and you can’t attack what you don’t know is there.

    2. Less talked about is “sensor fusion” which aggregates sensor data from the aircraft and others to give a much fuller view of the situation.

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      Sensor fusion is something that any 4.5 gen fighter is capable of. Cool HUDs and XR is just marketing bling. It doesn’t really matter. Scale, sensors, ew, range, load and cost benefit matter.

      F-35 is good if you need first strike tactical nuke capabilities today. Or small carrier capabilities. However, modern sensors can probably catch your F-35s quite early on anyway. The extra stealth might be good if you’re fighting goat herders with Soviet AA and radars from the 50s. But hey, then you can just go for an upgraded F-16 with some fancy EW.

      Any rational state actor should skip 5th gen, push their 4.5s to the limit and go for unmanned gen 6+.

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        I don’t necessarily disagree with your take here, but this is all conjecture until we see a 5th-gen in real combat. There was that story about an Israeli F-35 sneaking right up to a… I forget what, Syrian AF probably, but even if that anecdote really happened we haven’t really seen them used in anger. As I said elsewhere here, China is really the only one who’d offer a near-peer opponent (unless god forbid the US go so far off the rails that they turn on NATO).

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      6 days ago

      Thanks. This leaves me with follow up questions:

      1. If the plane is used for defence, is visibility that important?

      2. Sensor fusion is a software feature. Why can’t it be replicated in other aircrafts easily?

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        I dont know the second thing but even defensively, stealth fighters are much more difficult to accurately aim at with sensors and guidance systems and such, and it also helps a ton if the enemy doesn’t know how many planes you have and where they are from a strategic point of view. Stealth is simply a modern requirement to not be at a severe disadvantage.

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        If the plane is used for defence, is visibility that important?

        Sure, it reduces losses and gives much more tactical advantage.

        Sensor fusion is a software feature. Why can’t it be replicated in other aircrafts easily?

        It isn’t just software. Even the pilot’s helmet in the F-35 is highly specialized and has integrated HUD:

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              The planes are designed to carry several tons of bombs. For sure there must be some space to store some CPUs and memory.

              If the helmet is such a key feature then it’s worth developing a European version. The good thing about a helmet is that it’s easy to replace, unlike other parts of the plane. So the Gripen can be bought right now, and then suppliers can deliver helmets. Have an open market for them with a public specification of the interfaces and thus a thriving European helmet industry.

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                I must not be explaining this very well if that’s your takeaway.

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                  Well, I don’t understand how a helmet can be so tightly coupled to a plane. There could be less cameras or less radar systems, but that can’t limit the helmet to show whatever the sensors track.

                  Of course it could limit the helmet somehow, but that’s what I want to understand.

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                    One example I should have mentioned earlier is that the F-35 has cameras outside the plane so that the helmet HUD allows the pilot to look “through” the fuselage. It does much more than simply show sensor readings inside the visor.