Too many perfectly usable phones are put into a questionable security situation by lack of vendor support for keeping key software up to date.

But what’s the actual risk of using an Android phone on a stock ROM without updates? What’s the attack surface?

It seems like most things that’d contact potentially malicious software are web and messaging software, but that’s all done by apps which continue to receive updates (at least until the android version is entirely unsupported) eg. Webview, Firefox, Signal, etc.

So are the main avenues for attack then sketchy apps and wifi points? If one is careful to use a minimal set of widely scrutinised apps and avoid connecting to wifi/bluetooth/etc. devices of questionable provenance is it really taking that much of a risk to continue using a device past EOL?

Or do browsers rely on system libraries that have plausible attack vectors? Perhaps images, video, font etc. rendering could be compromised? At this point though, that stack must be quite hardened and mature, it’d be major news for libjpg/ffmpeg to have a code-execution vulnerability? Plus it seems unlikely that they wouldn’t just include this in webview/Firefox as there must surely be millions of devices in this situation so why not take the easy step of distributing a bit more in the APK?

I’m not at all an Android developer though, perhaps this is very naive and I’m missing something major?

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    Thanks, that’s encouraging and very relevant. Looks like it was introduced in Android 10 and aside from “Project Mainline” is referred to as “modular system components”: https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/modular-system

    Can you shed more light on what someone would be risking by continuing to use an EOL device? You say you don’t advise it, but it’d be helpful to elaborate on why.

    It seems like the increased vulnerability would be relatively limited: I presume the browser and messaging are by far the most common vectors and those would be as up to date as ever but I can see how exploiting an unpatched vuln there on an unsupported device could have more impact as it would give more options for privilege escalation.

    Otherwise it’d be something RF based. Aside from widely publicised things like BlueBorne (that we should be keeping an eye out for anyway), is it a reasonable concern that there are identify theft rings employing people with modified hardware wandering around subway systems trying to exfiltrate credentials from devices with specific vulnerable basebands? Seems like Android also offers some defence in depth there that’d make it unlikely enough to ensure it wouldn’t be worth their while?

    There are a few technologically disinterested people in my life that I advise (as is no doubt the case for many here) and I don’t know how strongly to push for them to get new devices once theirs fall out of support. Most of them are quite content with what they’re using and are not in the habit of installing apps (and will reliably ask me first) so they really would be replacing the device solely for the updates. In some cases it’s not only the time and effort to decide on a replacement and get things transferred over but the expense can also be a burden. So I don’t want to raise the alarm lightly.

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      I’ll do my best to respond, but I’m not sure if this response will satisfy you.

      By continuing to use an EOL device, you are conceding that there are bugs which are known and documented that have not been fixed on your device. The kernel for example (except for extremely recent devices) is very specific to your handset and will no longer receive updates. A bug in the kernel, if exploited, could potentially result in a total compromise of your device security.

      Let’s imagine that you’re concerned about browser exploits. Your browser will be up to date, but let’s imagine that there’s a zero day that gets exploited. Now, an attacker can combine their brand new bug with an already known bug in your kernel that hasn’t been updated yet to break out of the app sandbox and gain access to your device. This isn’t terribly outlandish. It’s common for attackers using a browser exploit to perform some analysis of the environment to select the next stage that is most appropriate for the device under attack. Because you ran older system software, you lowered the browser exploit bar by -1 exploit the attacker had to discover. Now, it’s likely the exploit will be discovered and the browser patched quickly, but there is still a time window where you are more vulnerable than someone who has an up-to-date kernel, and there have been cases where bugs existed for many years before they were discovered.

      Let’s talk about exploits over RF. Your baseband might become very outdated and let’s say there is a known security bug. An attacker runs a fake cell tower and steps onto your modem. Now, presumably if you’re also running an old kernel, an attacker has documented issues that they could research and leverage for stepping from the modem into the kernel. When you are running old code, you make it easier for the attacker. They don’t have to get as creative because they have a library of issues to choose from.

      An exploit over the baseband would have to be tailored to your specific baseband and your specific kernel. It could theoretically happen, but the odds of this happening to you are quite small because it would have to be crafted to your specific setup. For most users, attackers would like to use an exploit that applies to a wide variety of targets. Most of the common software that would be targeted has become modular and easily updated. We hope that good design of Android means this attractive and wide-ranging exploit would be hard to pull off even if you are EOL.

      There’s no such thing as a perfectly secure device. Ultimately, it’s about increasing the cost and difficulty for the attacker until targeting you is simply not worthwhile. When you use an EOL device you go from highly unlikely to unlikely. It’s still unlikely. Does this matter for your use case? It might. I’m a security researcher, so it’s not unthinkable that I might be specifically targeted. However, me being specifically targeted would be even more likely if I were a celebrity or a diplomat. In that case, it would be very important to me to force an attacker to discover new bugs just for me. Think of it like cryptography. There is no unbreakable encryption aside from the one-time pad. The objective is to drive up the cost so high that it’s effectively unbreakable for practical purposes. Security is much the same way.

      There’s not going to be a straight answer to this. Are you a nobody or are you a valuable target? Would your attacker be dedicated or opportunistic? Are they well funded, or a script kid? Ultimately it comes down to how much risk you’re willing to tolerate. Android is designed to try to give you a better deal even when your device is EOL. Quantifying how much of a difference it makes is not trivial. It really depends.

      For what it’s worth, I let my dad use a three-years outdated version of Android. He doesn’t do banking on that phone. He doesn’t care. It’s a phone. No one is going to specifically target him for his precious browsing history. His device getting owned by a browser exploit is unlikely and in the event it does happen it is merely an inconvenience.

      For myself as a security researcher? If my financial situation looks good, I want the security updates. I feel that I am at elevated risk, but it’s still unlikely someone would go after me specifically. I wouldn’t have severe heartache with being outdated for a little while even though it’s still not advisable. For me and my father it would be an understood and accepted risk.

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        11 months ago

        Really appreciate you taking the time to write that. I have a sense of most of that (“defense in depth” and “threat model” are good lenses to think about such things through for sure!) but what I was trying to get a better grasp on was how much risk from automated attack was a normal person without worries of an “advanced persistent threat” taking on by using a device past EOL. Like you say, “Quantifying how much of a difference it makes is not trivial” so I feel less conflicted to know that you’re comfortable with your dad taking that risk.

        I would think that the main thing at stake for a typical user isn’t just browsing history or email though but rather identity theft since a successful attacker can use the device to get through 2FA.

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          Perhaps the best way I can put that concern is that the risk is real but the risk is low. Good common sense operational security measures such as not clicking on things that you’re not familiar with, sticking with a small set of well-known applications from trusted sources, and turning off features or taking away permissions that you don’t need goes a long way to reducing your risk. You cannot eliminate the risk entirely, and while I don’t recommend running without security updates, I don’t think it’s a completely irrational choice. I believe that it’s incorrect to categorically declare that it’s unsafe and unacceptable for any use case.

          As I’m sure you can appreciate, security is not a boolean. If you’re no longer getting vendor security updates it’s another risk factor that you need to consider.