• OutlierBlue
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    4 hours ago

    The Russians are at their doorstep with guns. You can’t just sit there saying “I don’t have a fight with you” and expect them to peacefully leave. They’ve already shot your neighbours. The choice is not yours. You either fight or you die.

    • leftytighty@slrpnk.net
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      2 hours ago

      The choice isn’t yours when there’s a draft. If it’s so noble to die defending your state (not people, state) then it should be no problem getting enough volunteers.

      Forcing people to fight for their government is wrong. Maybe some are ok with surrender over risking their life, maybe some are staunch pacifists, maybe some feel their lives won’t change very much under new leadership and would prefer to live.

      Sending teens into a bloodbath by force isn’t good no matter how you try to spin it. Yes the alternative might be losing, but that is their choice.

      You should go fight, they’re accepting foreign volunteers. You go do what you’re asking these children to do. It’s the right thing, isn’t it?

      • ManixT@lemmy.world
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        2 hours ago

        Same bullshit Kremlin copy pasta. Russia is the only country to blame for their imperialistic war, where they are murdering Ukrainians and stealing their land.

        Do you support Russia?

        • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
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          33 minutes ago

          They didn’t say Russia wasn’t to blame, or that what Russia is doing is justified. They said - and I happen to agree - that conscription is always wrong. No one should, under any circumstance, be compelled by force to fight and die for their state or for any other reason. The choice to risk one’s own life for a cause - even a cause of defense - is your choice alone.

          Should young Ukrainians volunteer to defend their independence? Probably, but that’s up to them, or at least it should be.

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      3 hours ago

      Ok lol you go enlist then if you’re so comitted.

      In fact if you support a draft we should force you to enlist against your will

      • ManixT@lemmy.world
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        2 hours ago

        Same old bullshit copy pasta from the Kremlin.

        How do you not understand that Russia has invaded their country and is murdering them and stealing their land?

        If someone broke into your house and was about to shoot you and your teenage daughter and wife were in the other room would you be like “yeah I don’t believe in violence”? What good would that do?