I see no evidence to suggest that the majority of posters here are not debating in good faith, most posters here seem to me just normal humans who have biases and emotions - but I’d hardly call that bad faith. If you think this low of lemmy and its users I don’t really understand why you are spending time here.

Even if your assumptions of lemmy users where true I don’t see how that affords you the opportunity to discuss without nuance. Discussing in absolutes and without nuance would categorize you in the “weaponize nuance to try and shift goalposts” crowd I’d say.

But you do you

I find it funny you claim there is clearly no debate while having a debate about this. The reason the person linked that article because of a different section:

Unrelated to the economic philosophy described in this article, the term “neoliberalism” is also used to describe a centrist political movement from modern American liberalism in the 1970s. According to political commentator David Brooks, prominent neoliberal politicians included Al Gore and Bill Clinton of the Democratic Party of the United States.[48]

Aha! You might say, it clearly says it is unrelated to the economic philosophy, but the point is that the word can often refer to different things, including Democrats.

Here is another quote from that link:

Neoliberalism is distinct from liberalism insofar as it does not advocate laissez-faire economic policy, but instead is highly constructivist and advocates a strong state to bring about market-like reforms in every aspect of society.

Sounds a lot like the Democrats to me.

As for your talk of comparing European liberals to American liberals being “propaganda” I disagree. I don’t know if this specific movement in lemmy that you speak, but I don’t think it is propaganda to show that one could want to shrink a gigantic government to medium one (European liberal) and they would be the same as someone who wants to expand a small government to medium one (American liberals). Healthcare being an obvious example here: the United Kingdom wanting to privatize NHS could be considered similar to Democrats who want to just regulate an already privatized system. The end state is the similarity not the action taken to get there.

I think this is an interesting discussion and am not trying to prove that European libs are the same as American libs, just proving that there is clearly debate here.

Yeah I dunno about the case law, but that was kind of an aside. The point is I believe they can ask you to check receipt, and if you don’t they can’t sick the police on you (probably) but they can just ban you from the store, same as Costco.

I have heard this same explanation a number of times but it doesn’t quite make sense to me. Sure at Costco you are agreeing to allow them to search your stuff via the terms, however it is not illegal as far as I am aware (ianal) to ignore this. The consequences may be that your membership will be revoked, but you haven’t broken the law.

Now for Walmart, if you refuse to have your stuff checked you also haven’t broken the law but if Walmart decided to they could ban you from the store (effectively the same as Costco’s consequence).

So they are effectively the same in outcome, maybe you are more likely to be banned at Costco than Walmart.

As for if they can detain you if they suspect you are stealing, many US states have “shopkeers privilege” laws that do in fact allow stores to detain customers who they have a reasonable suspicion are stealing. This would apply to both Costco and Walmart regardless of the “terms”. Now would refusing to have your bags checked count as reasonable suspicion? Who knows, I bet there is case law on this somewhere, but I’m too lazy to look.

This isn’t exactly answering your question, but I thought I’d share this strange gadget the twiddler 3. It’s a full keyboard you can hold in one hand and it uses “chords” (think chords on a piano) to achieve a full keyboard with only a few buttons.

Seems you can achieve a typing speed of around 60 wpm with a bit of practice, might make typing a bit easier and it is super mobile unlike a real keyboard.