Interesting argument, however

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Yeah, I am very privileged in a lot of ways. I understand that much, and am extremely grateful for it. I also understand that my opinions are at least in part derived from my privileged personal experience. You’re absolutely right in that I cannot speak to the experience of someone who lacks the support I have. I just think that of the billions whose lives are less privileged than my own, many would nevertheless consider their lives to be worth living. I find it tragic when some don’t, but I don’t think that that is necessarily a universally held opinion by the underprivileged.

I just have to ask: why do you insist on putting questions to me that have false premises? Nowhere in this thread have I said that mine is the universal Autistic^TM view, and yet you ask me why I feel I have the right to override people’s opinions. Hell, I don’t think anyone else in this thread has argued that there is any obligation to procreate. On the contrary, I have seen people people making the universal claim that autistic lives are especially not worth living and making the prescriptive claim that autists should not reproduce. That is a eugenicist argument.

Yeah but like, why not let those with the best understanding of the particular circumstances make that decision on a case-by-case basis instead of unilaterally saying that because some people are probably going to have a shitty life no one gets to make more (people)?

What the fuck do you want from me? I don’t owe you shit. You asked a question I suspected and am now convinced was in bad faith, and I answered it anyway.

You’re talking a lot of shit about me making baseless assumptions for somebody out here asking questions that are entirely premised on baseless assumptions yourself, such as (wrongly) assuming not only that I’m capable of having children (I intentionally had my gonads removed, not that it’s any of your business) but also that I’d want to (children have a tendency to be noisy, outgoing and energetic in a way that doesn’t jive with my own autism). I just don’t have a problem with people who genuinely believe that they can give their children a good life having any, as I’m not convinced that a good life is impossible (yet).

Piss off with your bullshit “politely trying to explain our points of view” civility politics, we were past that when you took the least charitable interpretation you could have done and misconstrued my point of view as somehow placing blame on the victims of the current state of affairs.

Genuinely asking here.

nonono: you’re “Just Asking Questions.” At least, I believe that’s the vernacular.

My position is simple: for as long as there is any positive experience to be had, life can be worthwhile and it’s not up to anyone to make a decision based on the contrary view to that on the behalf of anyone else. Also eugenics is fucking vile.

frfr, it’s so fucking tragic.

Yeah righto bud, I’m not victim blaming anybody. I’m just shit-talking a bunch of sad defeatists on the internet who think they’re smarter than everybody else just because they’ve taken the fucking blackpill when in reality they’re so far down this hole that they’re running defense for fucking eugenics against their own community.

On the off chance that you were being sincere in your question as to what we can do to actually improve the situation, the answer is to participate in an existing community dedicated to that very purpose. Collective action is generally way more effective than anything an individual can do. Are there barriers to doing this? Potentially. What can you do about that? I guess you’ll just have to figure it out; I don’t fucking know the specific circumstances of your personal situation, nor those of any groups around you.

Believe it or not, some people are actually working on that instead of just giving up on the world ever improving.

Yeah sure, but when people single out particular demographics as being somehow less deserving of life, people within those demographics who don’t hate their lives tend to get pissy about it for some reason. Go figure.

Firstly, I don’t have a kid. Being sterile (and also just not wanting any), I am quite unlikely to ever have a kid. Ideally we as a society would work to avoid water wars happening. My point is that we should improve our collective state of affairs somewhat, rather than resigning ourselves to the idea that to exist is to suffer like a bunch of loser doomers.

Yes, and I think that is bad. I just also think that this isn’t because of anything intrinsic to being alive and/or autistic, but largely due to external factors.

Yeah but what would be the point of that when neither law nor blue have any positions worth listening to???

Look here, Mario. You are speaking for exactly one (1) person. Your personal experience of autism is not universal. Some of us just have better circumstances. Some of us are spiteful bitches who live for the difficulty. My point being, some of us actually like being alive, and are okay with being autists.

Dude if people really have such a problem with life, they can in fact opt out of it at pretty much any point down the line.

sounds more like apathy and loss of hope to me.

Yeah, this. My biggest issue with the fundamental anti-natalist position is that it’s a totally blackpilled one that ultimately devalues any positive experiences life brings when compared with even the potential for any bad thing to happen, regardless of magnitude.

Surely the core arguments that an anti-natalist might bring forward apply to any sentient beings, right? Like, a cat didn’t give prior consent to existing any more than a human did. Ergo, I do think it’s reasonable to point out that there would be no observer that could witness, much less enjoy any benefit from, the anti-natalist ideal world.

My life is hard, therefore I am okay with eugenics

Yeah righto, mate. Sucks for you, but maybe we should just make life easier for the disabled instead of preventing us from existing entirely. Just a thought.

Damn, sorry for not wanting to be in a community full of obnoxious edgelords. Jeez.

GOB BLESS YOU ALL, BRETHREN, AND KEEP CRANKIN’ THOSE HOGS!

Can we please not do the whole “oh you like this character? Lol I murdered her at the first opportunity” thing? It’s kinda tiresome, and it’s the reason I stopped using the game’s subreddit.

The medications OP is taking do that. Unfortunately for them, castration does not necessarily prevent sexual feelings.