Luminous5481 [they/them]

yes, that is what you said. don’t get sarcastic about it after the fact. your justification for supporting a genocide is hand wringing about what might happen to trans kids if you don’t. you pulled a “think of the children” to justify murdering children.

you are absolutely a horrible person and should be ashamed to have said something so incredibly vile and hateful.

jewish people need a place to go

well maybe don’t kill everyone who was already there

if you asked someone that is born and raised in Israel, he probably feels like you are stealing his land when you take it away from him too

that is literally what you said tho

dataprolet was brought up in the matrix chat the other day, and it was decided somebody should make a gov post about whether or not someone like them should be associated with the rest of us.

did you really just use the “think of the children!” argument to justify bombing innocent kids?

you can’t make this shit up.

makes zero sense

that about sums up religion in general, well done. I think that about wraps the thread up, honestly. good work, everyone!

zionism and anarchism are mutually exclusive idealogies. you cannot believe in solidarity for all mankind and also support an ethnocutural supremacist movement.

I support banning zionists from dbzer0 to match them being banned on Anarchist Nexus.

Except your instance is federated and you do have to contend with me.

yeah, I don’t really think that’s true, all things considered.

I asked you an honest question and instead of answering it you avoided the question because you don’t want to contend with an honest debate

I am not interested in debating whether or not I should associate with ethnocutural supremacists.

I also don’t like your radical response to poor sources or arguments.

first of all, I never asked what you do or do not like. nobody did. you’re not part of the flotilla, or one of the instances thinking of joining the flotilla. you shouldn’t even be here, since this thread is not for you and your voice is not recognized and will not be considered when the decision is made.

my “poor arguments” are nothing more than arguments that you are either incapable or unwilling of understanding. likely the latter, since even a child is capable of love for each other.

Represent yourself better and raise your own standards.

my standards for association are clearly much higher than yours.

If there were no borders, I would be concerned that Arabs would move to my area and have tons of subhuman kids

I fixed it for you so it more closely aligns with your ideology

Zionism is an ethnocultural nationalist movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe; it primarily seeks to establish and support a Jewish homeland through the colonization of Palestine, which roughly corresponds to the Land of Israel in Judaism—itself central to Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

The real question should be do you want to be an echo chamber?

an anarchist echo chamber? yes, please. I will not ever, at any time, under any circumstances, for any reason, for any person, even for a second, consider any ideology, opinion, or idea, that does not include solidarity for all mankind. I’m not interested in your “devils advocate”, or your debate, or your differing opinion. if it is not helping your fellow man and lifting people up, freeing them from oppression from religions and states, then I want nothing ever to do with it.

you cannot change my mind.

So, let me ask clearly, do you think I am a Zionist?

I do not care if you are. you’re not on our instance. we’re not being forced to associate with you. you probably thought you had some sort of “got you!” argument lined up. but I’m not concerned with whether or not some random .worlder supports genocide. this time tomorrow, I’ll have forgotten you exist.

the only thing I’m doing here is making sure anyone else who wanders by does not see your absolutely wrong position and think being a zionist and an anarchist are anything but mutually exclusive ideologies.

So because you believe the other side of your view is morally and legally wrong they don’t deserve representation

they can have representation elsewhere. banning them here does not keep them from taking part in the fediverse.

Except I didn’t call you racist, I implied you followed the same ideology of racists.

that was an attempt at clever wordplay that means absolutely nothing. you’re not good at this.

You see people who are functionally the same as you

nobody who is a zionist is “functionally the same as” anarchists. the two ideologies are diametrically opposed and cannot function together.

You’ve taken someone who agrees with your ideals

no zionist agrees with my ideals, or they would no be a zionist. you cannot agree with my ideals and support a racist genocidal apartheid regime.

and ostracized them for not saying things the way you want.

anarchists voluntarily associate into communities of like-minded individuals. this is a right that cannot be infringed upon. likewise, the right to disassociate from people who are not like-minded is also a right that cannot be infringed. they are a foundation of anarchist thought. any zionist is free to form their own associations of like-minded individuals. banning zioonism from our community does not infringe on their rights, nor impede them in any way from speech.

I hate to break it to you, but that is exactly what authoritarianism is.

no, it is not.

So because they can speak elsewhere within Lemmy they still have freedom of speech but they can’t have freedom of speech here? You walk a tight line by saying people can’t associate here, but they are allowed to associate elsewhere so it’s ok to prohibit them within your circle. That sure sounds like anti-persons of color talk in the 1960’s. Can I drink at the same water fountain as you?

I imagine you thought this was a pretty clever argument. unfortunately, you are not very clever. calling us racist because we don’t want to associate with supporters of a racist genocidal apartheid regime is a nice touch. it’s very MAGA of you. how oppressed you are that we don’t want oppressors among us. you’ll find such arguments carry no weight here, and nobody is impressed.

you have no idea what you’re talking about, and you’ve wrapped yourself in a blanket of ignorance to comfort yourself. the rest of us can see that the blanket is covered in shit though.

The soul of anarchism is freedom from oppression.

no, their opinion is the same as mine. freedom from oppression is no different than solidarity for all people.

When you attack the people on your side for not stepping in line with your exact opinions you are an authoritarian not an anarchist.

that isn’t what authoritarianism is. do not use words you heard online without knowing what they mean. nobody is having their speech limited, they are being told that we do not wish to associate with them if they engage in that speech. they can do so elsewhere.

I’m sorry, but that’s just your opinion. Emma Goldman represented anarchism as human expressionism and you can’t have freedom from oppression while limiting the speech of others.

nobody is limiting anyone’s speech. there is no barrier to entry for lemmy, people who would be banned can continue their speech literally anywhere else. another core requirement of anarchism is freedom of association, and that means the freedom to disassociate with people.

The soul of Anarchy is free expression, how can you champion Anarchy while also promoting the limiting of speech and ideas? The two should be anathema to each other?

no, the soul of anarchism is solidarity for all people. anything that goes against that is anathema to anarchism and cannot be tolerated.

it’s the same mindset that has “good cops” backing “bad cops” no matter what. the idea that someone like them can be wrong is an affront to lots of people, because it makes them face the reality that they could be wrong some day as well. and nobody enjoys admitting they’re wrong. so instead of thinking critically, they circle the wagons and reject anything that criticizes anyone like them.