Mexico’s first openly non-binary magistrate and prominent LGBTQ activist Jesús Ociel Baena Saucedo was found dead at home in the central state of Aguascalientes on Monday.
You say that like they didnt legalize gay marriage, elect LGBTQ allies, strengthen and protect abortion laws in response to the roe vs wade overturner, and legalize pot. And that’s just to name a few.
Oh and you don’t lose your house if you have to go to the hospital without insurance.
Say what you will about Mexico, but in some aspects it’s more advanced than United States. At least when it comes to the red states.
Would that really suprise you coming from Mexico?
Like good on the people to elect them, and respect for being them for open about who they are, but the country has some serious issues and this isn’t near the top of the list unfortunately.
What exactly did you mean by this? Because it sure reads like you’re saying “Mexico is unfriendly towards LGBTQ+”, because you think this shouldn’t be surprising “coming from Mexico”.
There is evidence for a counterpoint to this implied statement: that Mexico is not unfriendly to LGBTQ+, but your response to that evidence was “I didn’t say they didn’t (enact legal protections, etc etc), don’t put words in my mouth”, so what exactly did you mean by what I quoted from you?
In a country that has a high amount of politically motivated violence, an elected official (especially one that would be progressive) being killed isn’t really a surprise to me.
Legal protections does not equal a friendly attitude. As I have experienced in my country (as we have had legal same sex marriage since 2005, and being allowed to serve in the CAF since 1992 as LGBTQIA+ individuals and being the second country legalise pot nationwide, second to Uruguay).
We still get warnings about kidnapping and cartel violence when we book trips to resorts there (among all the other warnings like the water isn’t exactly safe).
So yeah, a memeber of my community being murdered while in a position of power in Mexico isn’t that big of a surprise. My initial thoughts was this was cartel violence. And apparently one of the AGs in the region demonstrated a lack of empathy or corruption in thier initial statement. But it could be violence against them for being NB.
Right, so, you do mean “violence against LGBTQ+ people is unsurprising from Mexico”; so the other poster wasn’t putting words in your mouth, they correctly interpreted your meaning.
What they said was
you say that like they haven’t [passed all these progressive laws]
You gave a very valid and pithy response here:
Legal protections does not equal a friendly attitude.
Legalization would bring in more government meddling, not less. Exactly as you said, the government doesn’t have that much power. Cartels currently have full control of production, distribution and profits. They do not want regulations, taxes and dealing with competition in uhh… less confrontational ways. That’s even if they’d be allowed into the market, which is unlikely.
If you want to toss out that argument, fine. Cartels don’t want legitimate competition at all. Legalization would flood the market with startups that they couldn’t control or compete with.
You say that like they didnt legalize gay marriage, elect LGBTQ allies, strengthen and protect abortion laws in response to the roe vs wade overturner, and legalize pot. And that’s just to name a few.
Oh and you don’t lose your house if you have to go to the hospital without insurance.
Say what you will about Mexico, but in some aspects it’s more advanced than United States. At least when it comes to the red states.
I didn’t say anything like that in my statement. I also didn’t imply anything like that in my statement.
Don’t put words into people’s mouths.
Honey, you don’t need to outright say something for the implications and subtext to be there.
And sometimes there isn’t subtext. Or you just absolutely miss the fucking point.
What exactly did you mean by this? Because it sure reads like you’re saying “Mexico is unfriendly towards LGBTQ+”, because you think this shouldn’t be surprising “coming from Mexico”.
There is evidence for a counterpoint to this implied statement: that Mexico is not unfriendly to LGBTQ+, but your response to that evidence was “I didn’t say they didn’t (enact legal protections, etc etc), don’t put words in my mouth”, so what exactly did you mean by what I quoted from you?
In a country that has a high amount of politically motivated violence, an elected official (especially one that would be progressive) being killed isn’t really a surprise to me.
Legal protections does not equal a friendly attitude. As I have experienced in my country (as we have had legal same sex marriage since 2005, and being allowed to serve in the CAF since 1992 as LGBTQIA+ individuals and being the second country legalise pot nationwide, second to Uruguay).
We still get warnings about kidnapping and cartel violence when we book trips to resorts there (among all the other warnings like the water isn’t exactly safe).
So yeah, a memeber of my community being murdered while in a position of power in Mexico isn’t that big of a surprise. My initial thoughts was this was cartel violence. And apparently one of the AGs in the region demonstrated a lack of empathy or corruption in thier initial statement. But it could be violence against them for being NB.
So yeah, sad but not a shock.
Right, so, you do mean “violence against LGBTQ+ people is unsurprising from Mexico”; so the other poster wasn’t putting words in your mouth, they correctly interpreted your meaning.
What they said was
You gave a very valid and pithy response here:
Glad we could clear that up! 😊
Legalising pot is probably just a concession to the narcos
It’s fentanyl now. Pot is cheap and easy to grow in Mexico.
Yeah, but cartels can still produce it
lol there is no way Narcos want legalized drugs. Not that weed makes up any significant percentage of their business.
Why wouldn’t they want to sell a secondary product without any government meddling (not that the government has that much power lol)
Legalization would bring in more government meddling, not less. Exactly as you said, the government doesn’t have that much power. Cartels currently have full control of production, distribution and profits. They do not want regulations, taxes and dealing with competition in uhh… less confrontational ways. That’s even if they’d be allowed into the market, which is unlikely.
Legalisation means the government won’t even bother to pretend to fight cannabis trade
No it doesn’t. Speaking from Canadian experience, legalization was a crackdown on the wild west of dispensaries we had here.
Canada has a central government, Mexico only in name. Don’t compare the two
If you want to toss out that argument, fine. Cartels don’t want legitimate competition at all. Legalization would flood the market with startups that they couldn’t control or compete with.
I don’t know why I’m debating you on this.
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