Humans are not monogamous. A monogamous species would not feel sexual attraction and desire for people who are not their mate or a potential mate. The mere fact that we want to fuck everyone is proof, and insisting that humans are monogamous despite the available data showing someone has other partners in a huge portion of all long term relationships sounds a lot like denial.
Human “monogamy” is a common social convention, not a biological feature of humanity. DUH.
It’s not a paper, it’s a fluffy article in a pop magazine.
I read a lot of it and it wasn’t very interesting. However, the very fucking first thing it tells us is that there are many people on Earth right now WHO DO NOT PRACTICE MONOGAMY. Did YOU read that part?
Y’know why it says that? Because humans are not monogamous! Not in the sense that we mean when talking about other animals. We can choose to have monogamous relationships (though many of them fail even when they want to for reasons those people largely do not even understand) but that doesn’t make us a monogamous species.
I don’t know why you are pissed off at me, but I hope you are having fun doing it.
Probably because you came into a science forum, made some asinine claim with zero supporting evidence, and now that you’ve been challenged, you’re acting like a victim. Without evidence there is no argument, no discussion, no anything. Evidence is the only truth that we have. If you do not have evidence, your claim is inherently bullshit. It’s not even worth discussing until you have some factual basis upon which to build that discussion.
“Some humans aren’t monogamous, therefore humans are not monogamous.” isn’t good enough. That doesn’t even make sense, I can’t believe you fuckin’ said that.
You made the claim, you carry the burden of proof. Instead of acting like a fucking child, you could have been looking for papers that support your argument. I just glanced at Google Scholar for all of 3 minutes and scrolled through no less than 5 pages of papers on the topic of human monogamy. What’s your excuse? Go find some proof, or shut the fuck up.
data showing someone has other partners in a huge portion of all long term relationships
That’s called cheating. Is that your excuse when you get caught? ‘I can’t help it, it’s just my nature!’
psychological denial
Funny coming from someone who felt compelled to write this dumbshit comment on an anonymous forum justifying their shitty behavior.
The mere fact that we want to fuck everyone is proof
I really like pizza. I want to eat more pizza than is healthy. That is my nature. Fortunately I happen to be a human; humans possess higher cognitive abilities than animals, so they can employ logic rather than defaulting to natural instinct. Animalistic urges are not justification for being a piece of shit human being.
I think though, that OP here is arguing that monogamy is more a product of society and not biological drive. He uses the example that many humans cheat (and as disgusting as that sounds to YOU, it’s ALSO a social construct because there are other cultures which are not monogamous). So it doesn’t matter what your personal opinion of the matter is, nobody here is arguing that breaking the social code you’ve agreed to is morally good.
That’s a cool straw man, but I didn’t make the argument that you’re arguing against. My comment doesn’t make any claims or state any “facts” about human nature beyond the self-evident. I don’t make claims without supporting evidence, that’s kinda the point.
You are clearly upset about this and taking it all very personally. I’m sorry I upset you, wasn’t my intention at all. I’ll just say that there are common forms of nonmonogamous relationships where everyone is consenting. You probably even know people practicing them and (apparently) don’t know it.
I’ll also mention that you are projecting a lot of shit on top of me, and that that is very rude. None of the things you are so certain you know about me and apparently hate me for are things you actually know happened, but you’re real mad at me for them anyway. Please get a grip on yourself before you actually hurt someone.
Humans are not monogamous. A monogamous species would not feel sexual attraction and desire for people who are not their mate or a potential mate. The mere fact that we want to fuck everyone is proof, and insisting that humans are monogamous despite the available data showing someone has other partners in a huge portion of all long term relationships sounds a lot like denial.
Human “monogamy” is a common social convention, not a biological feature of humanity. DUH.
God forbid you should read the paper and discuss the evidence rather than spouting your psycho-babble bullshit.
It’s not a paper, it’s a fluffy article in a pop magazine.
I read a lot of it and it wasn’t very interesting. However, the very fucking first thing it tells us is that there are many people on Earth right now WHO DO NOT PRACTICE MONOGAMY. Did YOU read that part?
Y’know why it says that? Because humans are not monogamous! Not in the sense that we mean when talking about other animals. We can choose to have monogamous relationships (though many of them fail even when they want to for reasons those people largely do not even understand) but that doesn’t make us a monogamous species.
I don’t know why you are pissed off at me, but I hope you are having fun doing it.
Probably because you came into a science forum, made some asinine claim with zero supporting evidence, and now that you’ve been challenged, you’re acting like a victim. Without evidence there is no argument, no discussion, no anything. Evidence is the only truth that we have. If you do not have evidence, your claim is inherently bullshit. It’s not even worth discussing until you have some factual basis upon which to build that discussion.
“Some humans aren’t monogamous, therefore humans are not monogamous.” isn’t good enough. That doesn’t even make sense, I can’t believe you fuckin’ said that.
You made the claim, you carry the burden of proof. Instead of acting like a fucking child, you could have been looking for papers that support your argument. I just glanced at Google Scholar for all of 3 minutes and scrolled through no less than 5 pages of papers on the topic of human monogamy. What’s your excuse? Go find some proof, or shut the fuck up.
That’s called cheating. Is that your excuse when you get caught? ‘I can’t help it, it’s just my nature!’
Funny coming from someone who felt compelled to write this dumbshit comment on an anonymous forum justifying their shitty behavior.
I really like pizza. I want to eat more pizza than is healthy. That is my nature. Fortunately I happen to be a human; humans possess higher cognitive abilities than animals, so they can employ logic rather than defaulting to natural instinct. Animalistic urges are not justification for being a piece of shit human being.
I think though, that OP here is arguing that monogamy is more a product of society and not biological drive. He uses the example that many humans cheat (and as disgusting as that sounds to YOU, it’s ALSO a social construct because there are other cultures which are not monogamous). So it doesn’t matter what your personal opinion of the matter is, nobody here is arguing that breaking the social code you’ve agreed to is morally good.
That’s a cool straw man, but I didn’t make the argument that you’re arguing against. My comment doesn’t make any claims or state any “facts” about human nature beyond the self-evident. I don’t make claims without supporting evidence, that’s kinda the point.
You are clearly upset about this and taking it all very personally. I’m sorry I upset you, wasn’t my intention at all. I’ll just say that there are common forms of nonmonogamous relationships where everyone is consenting. You probably even know people practicing them and (apparently) don’t know it.
I’ll also mention that you are projecting a lot of shit on top of me, and that that is very rude. None of the things you are so certain you know about me and apparently hate me for are things you actually know happened, but you’re real mad at me for them anyway. Please get a grip on yourself before you actually hurt someone.