With QBs that have retired in the last 5 years, there are some interesting HOF debates that I see coming up. Right now the sure-fire HOF guys are Brady, Brees, and Rodgers when he retires. The next tier, however, is a lot more interesting. You have Matt Ryan, Big Ben, and Rivers who are all very close. What’s interesting is that according to Pro Football Reference’s HOF Monitor, they all have fairly similar scores even though they have different resumes. Ryan has the MVP/All-Pro 1 season which is pretty much required unless you have 2 Super Bowls. Ben doesn’t have a crazy MVP season, but he does have those 2 Super Bowls and 17 good years. Then Rivers has some crazy counting stats. I think that Ryan and Roethlisberger have a slight edge over Rivers but it is very hard to separate the 3. So my question is do we think any of them make it? If they do it opens up the debate for a lot of players in the future. Also, how do we think the HOF committee weighs Rings/MVPS/All-Pro teams? The media is always so focused on the rings but looking at the resumes of HOF QBs there are a lot more without rings than there are without All-Pro seasons.
Edit: Here is the PFR Monitor. The average HOF QB has a score of 108. Ryan has a score of 106, Ben has a score of 100, and Rivers is at 98.
QB HOF status needs to be disconnected from how many superbowls they’ve won. No other position is tied to it and frankly some QBs that are in the HOF because of it were in part carried there by their team.
No other position in any sport is an important to a team’s success as quarterback. Super Bowl wins should absolutely be considered. It would be absurd not to.
Whichever position the superstar is in basketball is more important because you play both offense and defense and are 1 of 5 rather than 1 of 11.
That’s false. The quarterback touches the ball on every play, and everything starts with him. It’s so much more important than any other position in sports. In a basketball game (you didn’t even name an actual position), a particular player might not even touch the ball every time down the court. It’s easier to neutralize a basketball player with double teams than it is to completely take a QB out of the game and make him a non-factor, which is impossible. Because again, everything starts with the QB, and everything flows through him. There is no position in any other sport that is remotely close to as important as quarterback.
The issue is not that they are considered but that if you don’t have a SB win its looked at as a huge negative. In some ranking systems a SB win places a QB above other QBs who are in fact better QBs strictly going off of stats.