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      I appreciate the separation between those two concepts, and find that too few people look at it that way.

      Every last one of them needs to be booted off Ukrainian soil, of course - that also goes without saying - but the Russian Army has a long history of lying to their citizens, promising money that never appears, and pulling small numbers of people from e.g., remote villages so that surviving families believe they’re one of the few and don’t see the larger losses at scale.

      I can’t locate my well-thumbed copy of Grau at the moment, but I’m reasonably sure he substantiates the above at least as far back as Afghanistan.

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        Thanks it comes from coming to terms with the reality of America as an American. I watched people get roped into a jingoistic furor to die in the sand on the other side of the world for what? Oil profits? In a time that we desperately needed to be decarbonizing and instead were being sold bigger and bigger cars. Most of our troops survived and they were invaders who deserved to be shot at, but we didn’t get back the folks we sent out, we got shattered and broken versions of them. They didn’t profit off it, rich folks who wouldn’t send their kid within any distance of an IED did. It was the poor and desperate who fought, just like in Vietnam.

        Poor folk from all over the world keep getting sent to kill each other.

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      Honestly, I think Niko Bellic from Grand Theft Auto 4 said it really well. “War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other”

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        old bitter commies who yearn for another empire… and they can’t even govern their own crumbling shithole.

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      but this isn’t Russians vs Ukrainians here, this is poor people being convinced to die for their rich

      I’m certain Ukrainian civilians are dying every fucking day because of RUSSIA. I can’t tell if the RUSSIANS murdering the civilians are wealthy or not, jus that they endorse the murder, rape, and torture of innocent Ukrainian people.

      Honestly, this war is NOT a class struggle, I disagree with your premise and think you’re just trying to drag an innocent Ukraine down to Russia’s level.

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      Hunh. Doesn’t sound all that different from what we’ve got here in the US, if I’m being honest.

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        It’s capitalist Russia. They do exaggerated versions of what we do. We exist as a mostly empty country deeply reliant on our fossil fuel resources, they exist as a nearly empty undiversified petrostate. We have gerrymandering and voter suppression, they have political candidates disappeared. We promise education and healthcare in exchange for service and cheap out to the point of near uselessness, they promise cash and send a bill instead. We have income inequality, they have oligarchs. We have bigotry problems, they ban certain groups from participating in public life.