• D1794@alien.topB
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    11 months ago

    And he says it’s specifically cause of the players we have.

    You can’t play Ajax football with Fernandes, Casemiro, Rashford, McTominay, Wan Bissaka, Maguire. Could go on. Cause we’ve Frankensteined a squad of mainly 2 different counter attacking managers, Mourinho and Ole.

    What is causing the issue is that he’s brought in some ‘Ajax’ players to play alongside the others, so we’re playing some fucked up in-between which isn’t giving the best of either, and actually showing the worst in both.

    He has to take blame, but the board above him do too, why is there nobody above him saying we now have a squad filled with players who want to be on the ball and also several players who treat the ball like a grenade?

    • Expensive-Twist7984@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      Having no identity to speak of as a club is a major issue- how does Manchester United want to play as a whole, and are the players and manager suitable for that?

      We hang our hat on having young players come through and are immensely proud of it, but what kind of football are we teaching them, and is that uniform from youth level to the first team? The sooner United have an identity and plug in players who fit that the better; I’d sooner we know what we are and live or die by that than “Frankenstein” ourselves into being a team, which you’re absolutely spot on about.

    • Bischoffshof@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      I would have said fair enough but watching what Ange has done at Spurs in 10 games when our team was built for counterattacking under Mourinho and Conteball. Sure we brought in a few players but he’s had a single window and we look much more coherent than what’s going on with y’all.

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        11 months ago

        You guys have some amazing players shackled by Conte and Mourinho. We’ve been let down by some of these players for several managers across multiple years, and some of them are still getting the chance.

        We can get a lot better than we currently are. Struggle to get worse, especially given the injuries. Everyone seems low on confidence.

    • Bujakaa92@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      So? Every manager somewhat gets the old guard and has to manage around it. Think Ange or Emery got clean slate and players they wanted from day one?

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        11 months ago

        As much as I dislike Ten Hag, you’re right. Look at Arteta too, it took him years to get rid of the old guard and to turn things around. That included getting rid of Raul too behind the scenes

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        11 months ago

        This idea that every new manager has to buy deozens of new players to be successful is ridiculous and was created purely as an excuse for Chelsea and Man Utd

    • HODLingMONKEY@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      Which why the calls for his firing are stupid. United needs to find a vision, how do they want to play? what is their philosophy? Find a fitting DoF, let him workout a strategy on recruitment and youth development and hire a coach that fits this philosophy. ManU has it backwards ever since Fergie left, they first hire the coach and then decide on the philosophy

    • El_Giganto@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      What is causing the issue is that he’s brought in some ‘Ajax’ players to play alongside the others, so we’re playing some fucked up in-between which isn’t giving the best of either, and actually showing the worst in both.

      But looking at the United squad right now, who are actually players you’d expect to see at an Ajax side? Martinez and Eriksen. Not so much anyone else. Even Antony isn’t the kind of player to really set the playstyle at a club like Ajax, even if he did well there.

      Ten Hag should be blamed for his mistakes, but I wouldn’t say this is a squad in between the old counter attacking style and the “Ajax” style. This is an unfinished squad, with simply a lot of poor players and unfit players. I would blame Ten Hag for having a front three of Rashford, Hojlund and Antony. Because it is a very expensive lineup, that doesn’t really make sense together and isn’t all that great individually either. But he’s also trying to make it work with what was already in the squad and a lot of the players just aren’t up for it.

    • LaughsAtOwnJoke@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      Could do with the fact we had a huge injury crisis right at the start of the season.

      A backline consisting of our 3rd choice CB, 5th choice CB, 6th choice CB, and 2nd choice RB.

      • MinotauroTBC@alien.topB
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        11 months ago

        For me, you look at other clubs and they have a style of play and when someone comes in they slot into that role, no one in our team looks like they’ve got a clue what they should be doing

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    11 months ago

    What’s he on about, united are playing exactly like a team that’s bottom of their respective league /s

  • RebornUnited11@alien.topB
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    11 months ago

    We’re all pissed cuz City beat us but we all knew they would. Look at our defense and tell me you thought the likes of Maguire, Evans, Lindelof, and Dalot we’re going to keep City quiet.

    A lot of comments on ETH spending 400mil on his team to play like this but it’s literally a youngster in hojlund, amrabat, onana, and evans. We’re still missing 300mil of players that he signed

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    11 months ago

    Even if we sack him then what? We hire another guy, honeymoon period until next season then rinse and repeat. There’s no structure behind the manager, it’s like being an accountant and not being able to use excel or accounting software.

    Some of these players will be on their FIFTH manager if we sack him. A couple will be on their fourth and a whole lot will be on their third. That’s unheard of anywhere else in football. For me, sacking him is not the solution

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      11 months ago

      So out of his depth he massively improved them last season from their worst season in 30 years? Hilarious

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    11 months ago

    He’s out of his depth and wasn’t ready for the PL in all honesty

    • AtletiBot@alien.topB
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      11 months ago

      What does it have anything to do with the PL? He literally finished 3rd last season? It’s more just terrible job selection from him. Put De Zerbi or Emery or whatever flavour of the month manager in Ten Hag’s spot and they wouldn’t do much better

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    11 months ago

    So what is his solution? He’s hired to be the coach with a rebuild plan yet he seems he has no ideas, no style, no motivation. Is he asking to be sacked?