Why do younger people only rate clubs by the trophies they’ve won, and more specifically, champions leagues?

I agree

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I suppose the first team is Real Madrid, and Real Madrid’s biggest Europe rival is Bayern. So that probably an argument to think about the Bayern as the second best club .

I’d say it’s between Bayern and Barca. Bayern have the edge historically, but Barca had a greater influence on the game. Some of which you could argue was really Ajax’s influence through Michels and Cruyff, but then again they also took their ideas from somewhere else.

Barca have had bigger names. Maradona before they even won the European Cup, then in the 90s Romario, Rivaldo etc., R9’s best ever club season, then Ronaldinho was the biggest star in football for most of the 00s, bigger than R9 and Zidane, then Messi came.

Spain won 08-10-12 with a core of Barca players, playing to the strengths of the Barca players. Pep’s Barca made everyone else in the league adapt, and La Liga became the best league in the world. BdO podium of 3 Barca players. Pretty much every top manager in the world right now citing Pep’s Barca as an inspiration.

Great story too: in 2008, Mourinho was the hottest manager in the world. He had broken SAF and Wenger’s dominance in the EPL, and broken records. He had worked for Barcelona. Him getting the job looked inevitable, and everyone was scared of how good Barca would become. Instead Cruyff told Laporta no, hire the B team manager. So everyone thought huh, so they’re going through a rebuilding process after two trophyless seasons, they didn’t go for a big name. But they instantly assembled what most people consider to be the greatest team of all time. Won the sextuple and a billion trophies, but more importantly, changed the way football was played.

If you watch a Barca, Bayern, Milan, whatever game from before Pep’s Barca, you’ll notice how much open space there was on the pitch. We think of the defensive Italian teams from way back, but nobody really defended as a unit. Few years later, every team attacked and defended together. No more massive gaps, no more idle time for one compartment while the ball’s on the other side of the pitch.

Teams immediately tried replicating what Barca was doing. Chelsea bought Oriol Romeu hoping he’d be the next Busquets. Wenger saw it coming, he talked about it, and changed his French-based Arsenal with big, physical players to a more Spanish-style squad, based around Cesc, Cazorla, Arteta or small, technical players in general, like Wilshere and Nasri. Everyone wanted La Masia players, or Barca-type players.

And at the beginning, most copycat attempts failed. Because they all thought “alright, we get small, technical players and we play a possession game” was enough. Top 5 league managers tried copying Barcelona but couldn’t, because they couldn’t actually understand the tactics behind Barca’s game. Instead, the managers that did truly understand the tactics, perfected bus-parking. Doesn’t matter whether we see bus-parking as a bad thing or not, defensive tactics were forced to evolve massively as a reaction to Barcelona’s game. We’ve never seen anything like it happen in reaction to SAF, Jupp or Ancelotti’s football.

Bayern may have been the more consistent club, but they’ve never reached Barca’s peaks.

Mentions Neuer over Sepp Maier. Not even Gerd Müller, Franz Beckenbauer or Elber.

And I do not agree woth your statement and I guess more do not. Bayern plays in a league where they win 90% of the times, altough not all their league titles came in easily as some in recent years. And about Barça they begame really big (in Europe) after the 90’s when Cruyff was a manager there, he changed football in many ways positive.

You mean club not team right?

Team wise there’s Brazil from the 70s, Spain 08-12, late 70s Liverpool, Barca 2010, AC 1990, early 70s Ajax, United 1999…Bayern don’t even make the top 10.

Club wise sure Bayern have won a lot for sure, and they’re by far the best team out of Germany, but imo Juve, AC, RM, are all better teams all-time.

While AC Milan has the second most UCL trophies, they have like half of Juventus’ Serie A trophy count or something. And for Juventus it’s the opposite: dominate Italy, lose in Europe. Liverpool has the majority of it’s success in 1970-1990 2 decades. I would say that though with less UCL trophies, Manchester United is above them with quality/quantity of legendary players, and more recent success 1990-2013. Yet they have don’t have as much UCL success compared to AC Milan, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax. So yeah Bayern Munich is clear of any of these teams in my opinion. Real is the unanimous 1st place. As for second it’s either Barcelona or Bayern Munich.