President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter in Israel on Wednesday what made him confident that the Israelis weren’t behind the explosion that killed hundreds at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday.

Biden responded that it was “the data I was shown by my Defense Department.”

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by an errant Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target.

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      Both of those estimates come from Hamas sources (well the 1000 people one IDK where you got that from).

      JFC people you can criticize Israel without gobbling up a terrorist organization’s fat propaganda dick. For now we just have no way to know how many people died in that hospital. Find another war crime to criticize Israel for, they’re not that hard to come by.

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          Yeah if they’d said a dozen people died I’d believe it. That crater looked like a stick of TNT went up, not a 2000 pound bomb.

          If it has exploded directly overhead in the center of 500 people packed like sardines I don’t think it could have killed more than a couple dozen.

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          Ooh gotcha. Unfortunately I’ve read some wild conspiracy theories about this in the last few days so I immediately thought this was more of the same… sorry lol

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          Yeah, the hospital wasn’t filled with civilians hurt/running away from bombings after Israel told them to run away because they’re gonna bomb them again.

          No way it would have had +500 humans in there.

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            But the hospital wasn’t hit, the parking lot was.

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              The parking loot is a part of the hospital.

              Does it seem out of this world to you that there would be +500 humans in the parking lot of a hospital in a crisis like this?

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                Yes, that might be the case under the current circumstances. The above picture helped to imagine what 500 people look like crammed squarely in a space. I doubt the 500 hypothetical people resting in the parking lot were placed more tightly than that.

                Next, look at pictures of the detonation crater, which has the size of a sewer manhole. Imagine that explosion going off in the middle of the audience of 500 people. Would they all die from that? The sheer amount of body mass and flesh would shield the people in rows 20+ from the explosion.

                I bet you couldn’t kill 500 people with whatever exploded there, if you tied them directly onto the bomb, or rocket, or whatever. Is there any precedent of a terrorist attack or military strike or anything which killed that many people with a similarly small explosion?

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                  You can’t imagine people running away from being bombed being more tightly packed than people attending a conference?

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                    Ok, fair point. But still, the explosion only has finite power. Shock waves literally do have a kill limit. They cannot rip through waves and waves of human flesh and still come out deadly on the other side. At some point, the energy is absorbed, the fragments are absorbed.

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                Yes, it seems absolutely impossible. 500 people is a massive number.

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                  You have never seen a parking lot as big as the conference in your image?

                  You can’t possibly imaging 500 hundred humans running from being bombed staying together in a parking lot of a hospital that is smaller than the conference in your images? You can’t imagine that at all?

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                    Jammed full of people, not unless there’s a concert. In an emergency you try and get people into the hospital as quickly as possible, and people aren’t going to arrive all at once. I could see 50 people killed in a hospital parking lot during an emergency, but 500, absolutely not.

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                    The tragedy of the Hamas v Israel conflict? No.

                    The misspelling of “parking lot,” in the comment I replied to? Yes. I am joking about that in particular, because I have to find humor somewhere.