The law firm Davis Polk said in an internal email to staff members that the students’ statements don’t represent the firm’s values.

Top U.S. law firm Davis Polk announced in an internal email that it had rescinded letters of employment for three law students at Harvard and Columbia universities who signed on to organizational statements about Israel, one of the latest responses to open letters from university groups about the Israel-Hamas conflict that have roiled university donors, employers, alumni and students.

“These statements are simply contrary to our firm’s values and we thus concluded that rescinding these offers was appropriate in upholding our responsibility to provide a safe and inclusive work environment for all Davis Polk employees,” said the email, signed by Neil Barr.

Small-business lawyer Joseph Gerstel posted a screenshot of the email Tuesday on LinkedIn. A Davis Polk representative confirmed it as authentic.

Barr went on to write, “At this time, we remain in dialogue with two of these students to ensure that any further color being offered to us by these students is considered.”

  • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
    11·
    1 year ago

    When you say that the Harvard Law students are essentially saying, “[…]YOUR PEOPLE are monsters”, you are implicitly saying that the attorneys at Davis Polk are Jewish, and also directly responsible for the genocide directed at Palestinians by the Israeli state. I’m not sure how you aren’t seeing this, and understanding why that kind of stereotype–that lawyers are all/mostly Jews, that all Jews support the Israeli genocide of Palestinians–is a bad thing.

    • yiliu@informis.land
      11·
      1 year ago

      Lol, are you okay?

      I’m not saying all/most lawyers are Jewish, I’m saying there are Jewish lawyers (and clients). I’m also not saying the Jews are responsible for genocide, I’m saying that’s what the law students were saying.

      This is one law firm rejecting a bunch of students that made a wild and controversial statement. There are lots of reasons why the firm might have done that. This is one example. I do not agree with the students.

      Is that clear?

      • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 year ago

        I’m also not saying the Jews are responsible for genocide, I’m saying that’s what the law students were saying.

        Yeah, no. That’s not what they were saying. So, again, you’re intentionally misinterpreting. You’re conflating Judaism–a religion–with Israel–a country. Not all Israelis are Jewish, not all Jews are Israeli. Israel–the state–is committing genocide against the Palestinians. That’s what most of the protestors are fighting against, not against Jews. So you’re actually making a racist statement, and then ascribing a racist motive to the people that aren’t even making that racist statement.

        You’re just kind of acting in bad-faith in general.

        And, it’s not even that controversial to say that Israel is committing war crimes; there’s just this weird evangelical support in the US for anything that Israel does, regardless of how many civilian non-combatants they kill or injure (from 2008 - 2020, Israel killed or wounded 20 Palestinians for every single Israeli that was killed or wounded; most were non-combatants).

        I’m not sure why you seem to think that this is all zero-sum either. Yes, Hamas did something pretty awful, and killed 1000 Israeli civilian non-combatants. So why can’t you also condemn Israel for killing 2800 civilians non-combatants–including at least 800 children–in Gaza so far? How many non-combatants is Israel allowed to kill in bombings in your mind, before you would condemn them?

        • yiliu@informis.land
          13·
          1 year ago

          The Israelis are not committing genocide, by any definition. They’re certainly not conducting an organized mass killing of Palestinians–the Palestinian population is one of the fastest-growing populations in the world. They’re not trying to deprive them of language or culture. They’re just containing them–which might be a crime, but it’s not genocide.

          So you’re actually making a racist statement, and then ascribing a racist motive to the people that aren’t even making that racist statement.

          They’re cosigning Hamas. You think Hamas is above racism?

          Anyway, I was just inventing a scenario in which a company might not want to hire these people. For the record, I don’t believe that either the Israelis or Palestinians are evil, or should be massacred, or that every Jew supports the right-wing Israeli government or that every Palestinian supports Hamas. But Hamas does believe it, and has said so explicitly, and by calling them brave and justified freedom fighters you’re kinda taking their side.

          So why can’t you also condemn Israel for killing 2800 civilians non-combatants–including at least 800 children–in Gaza so far?

          Who says I can’t? Allow me to quote myself:

          Same goes for law students who are too enthusiastic about Israel’s violent response, nobody has to hire them either.

          The situation is fucked up, and I think Hamas shares a lot of the blame for the civilian casualties since they’re deliberately using the civilians as a shield. But I have no problem criticizing Israel. It just wasn’t relevant to this discussion.

          It just drives me fucking crazy that people think they are entitled to be hired by a company, regardless of what they’ve said in the past. And a key word there is “they”. I strongly suspect the Venn diagram of people who are currently saying “Oh my God, Davis Polk can’t do this, it’s an assault on free speech!” and the people who were 100% on board with Trump supporters, antivaxxers, or people throwing racial slurs while walking their dog in the park losing their jobs is pretty much a circle. Remember “Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences!”?

          They were right then, however annoyingly smug they were about it, and they’re right now. You can say whatever you want, but not everybody is going to like it, and they are not obliged to hire you.