• STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    god is some shit made up by authoritarians to enforce their power and ideals. lucifer was always the good guy

    • nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      9 months ago

      uh wow erm wait a sec wow that’s kinda rude that’s kinda religionist dude you’re cancelled now

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    9 months ago

    That’s a really bad read of Milton, which is unfortunate because Satan, being barely in the actual Bible at all, is effectively a Milton character. In Paradise Lost, Lucifer wages a war against God for the unfairness of God making himself king of heaven and earth, but then upon his defeat he sets himself up as the absolute king of Hell. He loathes humanity because he sees himself as a superior being who should rule them by right, but also demands equal footing with the omnipotent being who created him. It’s summed up in the fact that one of his primary stated goals is to try to show the hypocrisy of God, because he actually demonstrates massively hypocritical behavior at almost every conceivable opportunity. Lucifer wasn’t the first to demand equality, he was the first to demand social classes.

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      9 months ago

      Eh…I read it as Satan being the one that wanted Adam and Eve to have knowledge equal to God.

    • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      9 months ago

      I wouldn’t see Milton as the authority on Lucifer.

      And once I establish an omnipotent being created me, I can do what I want on the grounds they created me to want that. That applies to the Morningstar as well.

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        9 months ago

        Milton is the authority on Lucifer whether you like it or not, because he effectively created the character. Also, you’re employing circular logic to sidestep the actual issue, which was the hypocrisy. Literary analysis is not about arguing backwards from a point of view you’re emotionally attached to.

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      9 months ago

      You are only hearing his story from the people he fought against.

      Eg: To the 18th century British establishment, George Washington was a Terrorist.

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        9 months ago

        As was like sky Walker. It’s largely about whose perspective you are seeing.

    • nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      9 months ago

      He’s got his own sick bachelor pad where he can do whatever he wants for eternity, sounds good to me tbh

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      9 months ago

      he has their on heaven, but with sex and rock’n roll, so i think he is pretty happy