The mods there have decided to allow underage looking content, skirting close to CP. Unless we want such disgusting stuff on our feed, I think we should defederate from that instance.

Pinging @ernest as well.

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    As long as kbin domain blocking tools work, I can choose to block their content - and I will, because 1) it’s pretty fucking vile 2) it might be illegal. But I don’t need it to be defederated, I’m happier if I have the tools to deal with this (and other similar stuff).

    I wish we could remove the The “Random Post” / “Random Thread” boxes from the front page. Those seem to display NSFW material quite often - I don’t really have any need for “random content” especially since I can’t control the source.

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      But I don’t need it to be defederated, I’m happier if I have the tools to deal with this (and other similar stuff).

      I’m sorry but this is asinine. We’re not talking about blocking too many posts about Taylor Swift, we’re talking about new users of kbin getting fed illegal child porn in their feed.

      Kbin should defederate immediately.

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        This is not about CSAM though. It’s about specific fetish (which isn’t illegal globally as far as I know)
        ernest needs to worry about the legality of the server and his users holistically.
        I need to worry about the content I’m browsing. Ernest can’t worry or know about local laws in every country. Hence, I need to be able to block domains that I deem unsuitable.

        If ernest decides he needs to defederate to keep his users safe, then that’s fine by me, it’s his call. But I want to be able to moderate my own content (tools exist, but seem a bit buggy https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/118)

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          I think the larger point is that you can still block domains you don’t want to see, but in this particular case defederation should happen. Both things can co-exist

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            Absolutely. If admins see the need to defederate, then go for it. I’m not going to object or leave because of it.
            I just simply said, I personally don’t have need to defederate - if - the blocking tools work.

            Everyone else mileage may vary. Of course.

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      If it “might be illegal” than there actually might be a legal responsibility to defederate. Federation is not links to content, it’s mirrors of content, and anything you’re seeing while browsing kbin.social is being hosted here.

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        If it “might be illegal” than there actually might be a legal responsibility to defederate.

        Absolutely, I never said otherwise (I hope?)
        But that’s up to server admins - I don’t even know where the servers are hosted right now. I have no idea what applies to them. I’d like to believe they are acting in good faith and following their local legislation.

        What I meant with “might be illegal” is laws are different. Iceland and Iran have very different views on illegal content. And it might be that the content that is illegal in Iran, isn’t actually illegal in where ever the servers are hosted.

        We all have to make sure we follow the laws of the country we live in.
        So we need tools to handle those situations (like the situation in this thread)

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      1. it might be illegal.

      Sounds like an existential risk to the server to federate with them unless they tighten things up then. @ernest is beholden to both the laws of where his server is hosted and where he lives, which I believe are Germany and Poland. If he violates either, there goes the instance and/or him.

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        Certainly. The instance must abide by the law of the country it’s hosted in. And we users must abide by the laws of our respective countries.

        I’ll let ernest and instance mods to worry about the legality of the instance, but I’d like to be able to to control the content that ends up in my browser - domain blocking is a hammer, going forward it would also be nice to get keyword blocking and other tools.

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        if the instance is beholden to german laws it might be better to move to a new one before this gets too large. otherwise it’ll suffer the same fate as traditional social media. no idea what the laws in poland are…

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      I think we should keep the decision on the users what they want to see or don’t want to, as long as its legal - similar to the piracy magazines or others.

      Maybe block it by default, but allow users to opt-in / remove the block?

      By the way:

      You can see all threads from an instance by using the following URL on Kbin (not on Lemmy):

      https://kbin.social/d/[instance-url]

      ^ the /d stands for domain.

      e.g.: https://kbin.social/d/lemmy.ml

      On the same page, you can block the whole instance.

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      For some reason, people from reddit would rather ban EVERYONE from accessing content, rather than just hitting the very-easy-to-use block button, that will take care of all of their woes while not forcing their opinion on everyone else.

      Loli is fucking gross, and the people who enjoy it are gross, but the block button is right there.