At least for me, the API changes are just a final straw and something which mobilised enough redditors to make other platforms viable alternatives.
Here are the reasons I won’t be going back:
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Admin power is misused. I’ve seen memes [Removed] where the only logic to their removal is if you’re a little bit of a bigot and are butthurt about it, or if you want to appeal to advertisers over actual people. In general, admin decisions seem less about people and more about business, how else do you wind up with a site where subs that exist to hurt people or put them down thrive openly but NSFW subs wind up a topic of debate or censure? Make no mistake this will go the YouTube direction, where things like LGBT content are determined not safe for advertisers. Having this in the context of a site known for cradling the manosphere and the incel movement and you can see where the dumpster fire is headed. Spez has no backbone so neither will Reddit.
The Advertising
It is so bad, my previous point is largely an issue so Reddit can be an advertising platform and then they fail at being an advertising platform. Other social media that relies on advertising revenue rewards advertisers for honest, accurate, and well targeted ads. Reddit has their audience opt in to their interests, how hard can it be to serve a fair quantity of relevant adverts? Reddit is the cheapest platform to advertise on and it’s treated like a big old billboard. The average CTR on Reddit ads is a third of that on Facebook. If they could manage to target even the right country half the time they could make more money showing less ads, and ads people at least don’t mind seeing.
This is assuming advertising is necessary at all, what’s interesting here, and with the federated internet in general, is that we can have communities that aren’t expected to be profit centres and try out new ways of financing platforms that centre users and not the advertising industry.
The bots
I’ve been on Reddit for at least 6 or 7 years, and it feels like outside the news and current affairs subs, there’s been very little new for about three of them. The place has been suffocated by repost bots. Even now, if you dare to look, you’ll see a lot of Reddit’s current activity is coming from unaware bots on dead subs reposting whatever hit r/all in 2020.
The most blatant bots are porn accounts, spamming their dead eyed content indiscriminately across the platform, spare a moment for the poor users of r/analog.
These issues can be improved on by cutting off access to the API, though I don’t doubt they would just rely on web scrapers without it. Users have already made bots to flag the bots, is Reddit less capable than it’s userbase? Or are they relying on bots to keep the site in a mundane content loop?
The experience
I’m really enjoying using alternative sites now Reddit has given them a userbase. It feels like the internet used to feel before it got carved up between the “platforms” for advertising revenue and I love it. The major points above are massive contributors to user experience but so are the users here, Lemmy and Raddle, the ethos and terms of service for these spaces and small design choices that centre users.
TLDR: I’m deleting my Reddit account(s), not because I want Apollo, but because the alternatives are better.
The 2 problems I had with Reddit outside of the current API changes.
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The moderation style. I also don’t like the fact comments are constantly removed if the user’s comments aren’t welcome then they should be clearly indicate what they did that was unacceptable and banned them.
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The echo chamber in the literal sense. In the last few years it’s gotten noticeably worse where hundreds if not thousands of comment in a Post is just the same thing rephrased over and over again.
Both of these things generally led me to spend more time in lower volume and smaller subs.
some reddit mods are dictators. they don’t even spend time to argue or reason with you why your post is taken down.
i hope one day we have AI mods that can be customized to one’s preferences and needs. if someone is a snowflake, then the AI can remove all post from the user’s sight that deems offensive. if someone enjoys all the nsfw content, then let the AI take out all the censors. every person has their unique preferences. why force everyone to obey to only one set of rules?
You can make your own Fediverse instances and do whatever you want on them, but you will get instance-blocked and you can’t force them to “reason” with you about it.
If you want to exist in the company of others, you must regulate your behavior. This is not dictatorial, each person gets to say on what terms they want to deal with you or not.
If someone is posting like a Nazi, it will always be more efficient to block their messages from propagating, than to require each and every user to individually see their messages and then block them.
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Don’t forget the NFTs, sorry, “Collectible Avatars”
Oh I had, and I was all the better for it!
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I’m kind of addicted to Reddit, so it’s nice to have a way to break from that.
API change is just the latest in a growing list of symptoms of enshittification. Seems hopelessly unavoidable with companies that not privately held, and even then that’s hardly a guarantee. Which is why I have become pretty convinced you basically have to do social media specifically with FOSS and federation.
Same here man… I’ve been using reddit in lurk mode for like the last 3 years and have been loosely active for the previous 2…
It was just a very populated place where to look into questions previously posted…something kinda better than Quora.But this was the last drop…greedyness, righteousness and bad taste of the admins had me delete all the accounts and filter reddit from my searches .
Don’t want to be a number more they can claim in actively usersthough I don’t doubt they would just rely on web scrapers without it.
They absolutely can. Bots have been around for decades even for sites that don’t offer an API. There’s plenty of libraries meant for programmatically interacting with webpages. It’s not much harder and mostly it’s just very annoying because it’s fragile and can be easily caught by honeypots, which makes it a bad approach for legitimate users who don’t want to risk a ban.
Plus, only one person actually has to create and maintain a library that utilizes scraping. Every other bot owner can just use that library to make it easier.
So basically removing API access is just a slight barrier for malicious bots but a major barrier for any legitimate usage.
