This rule is weirdly incongruous with the others, given the anodyne dictionary definition of “Zionism”. Does it serve rather as a kind of ideological litmus test to exclude certain viewpoints - and indeed certain people - from this community? How is that defensible?
I’m a European who believes in tolerance. Having just noticed this egregiously discriminatory statement of values, I’m now thinking that I will not feel at home in this community.
PS: I see without surprise that this is not going to generate worthwhile debate. As a liberal (not Jewish and I generally vote green), I did see the health warning about “left-anarchism” (whatever, there’s overlap). I was pretty pleased to discover this community. But I don’t think I can continue contributing when there’s literally a rule condoning ethnic discrimination. That’s something that fascists do. It’s certainly not the European spirit. Bye.
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I didn’t know about this community until recently, this thread shows me it’s good I do now. :)
for a community concerning Europe
Because european countries are supporting genocide. That’s how it’s related.
I’m a European who believes in tolerance.
You can tolerate people who support genocide and imperialism, but not tolerate people who are against that?
As a liberal (not Jewish and I generally vote green),
Not surprising. I have friends who are jewish and they are staunchly anti-zionist. Who are you to dictate that?
I’m now thinking that I will not feel at home in this community.
There’s always [email protected]
condoning ethnic discrimination
What the fuck? The rule says ZIONIST, not JEWISH. I’ve seen actual anti-semitism on this instance and have shot it down very fast, but i have absolutely no love for zionists.
That’s something that fascists do. It’s certainly not the European spirit
I see you’ve been living under a rock and haven’t opened a history book.
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I’ve seen your other comments. You just go mask-off with your bullshit. Thank god this community is hostile to zionists.
A supermasist ideology has no place here . Just like you would not allow someone believing in issis wanting to create an islamic state in syria and iraq
But Zionism is not ipso-facto supremacist any more than Kurdish or Catalan nationalism is supremacist.
It is because from all the people that lived in the land they thing they had the most right to it even if the zionist had no proof that they have connection to the israel. Most local population refused foreigners to impose a state on it Israel couldn’t be created without mass displacement.
after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine
- zionist leader and first prime minister ben gurion
Even the prime minister who is cinsidered “moderate” claim that jews are the original owner of the land which is false, they was not the first to settle there
Here, in the land of Israel, we returned and built a nation. Here, in the land of Israel, we established a state. The land of the prophets, which bequeathed to the world the values of morality, law and justice, was, after two thousand years, restored to its lawful owners – the members of the Jewish people
Well, perhaps you can still see why reasonable people might believe otherwise.
ipso-facto
Or that the context beyond the mere classical definition one might have given 50 years ago has relevance.
For a serious answer I suppose you’d need to read several books about the history of Israel and its relationship with Europe, the semiotic position of the term Zionism in contemporary political discourse, and methodologies for dealing with problematic topics in online communities.
But in short I’d say that the more evil is done in the name of Zionism, the more the name itself becomes perceived as synonymous with it, and there’s a lot of that going on these days.
IMO a better serious answer would be for the community not to have a rule that appears to be a discriminatory dog-whistle, or (in this most good-faith possible interpretation) weirdly obsessional. This community is for discussing Europe, not West Asia.
IMO you’re either playing dumb or just simply out of touch with what’s been going on. I think it’s clear without saying the original meaning and intention of the word Zionism is accepted here but it’s most recently used as an excuse or a reason to commit genocide and wage war indiscriminately.
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Ah there you are - this post was never about Zionism, was it? It was about denying genocide in Palestine.
And now you’ve answered your own question. There aren’t rules explicitly banning other genocidal ideologies because there aren’t nearly as many goobers like you defending them. (Except tankies, but they’re not welcome either.)
If there’s a sign saying “do not feed the alligators” you can guess that it’s probably because they had a problem with too many people feeding the alligators. There’s no reason to ask if that means it’s okay to feed the crocodiles.
It’s not arguable or debatable and China is no better.
There is no apologist of any genocide in the sub. You are the only one who use other genocides as a pretext to deflect about the genocide in gaza.
The genocide intent in gaza is the most obvious since hitler. The top israel leaders including the prime minister expressed genocide intent. Like netenyaho compared gazan to amalek. The bible say that isrselites was ordered to kill everybody including infants and animals
It’s not a dog whistle if everyone knows precisely what it means.
Hey, look, it’s the paradox of tolerance yet again.
I am curious, what do you think Zionism is actually?
I don’t think I can continue contributing when there’s literally a rule condoning ethnic discrimination
The rule against Zionism is literally the opposite of “a rule condoning ethnic discrimination”. This community’s second rule is actually redundant with its first one, but it’s worth stating separately due to the prevalence of misunderstandings about it.
FYI, aside from being predicated on the forced displacement and/or murder of the Palestinian people, Herzl’s Zionism (to which the state of Israel explicitly credits its existence) has also always been rooted in antisemitism.
Hey thanks for identifying yourself as a genocide apologist, makes it real easy to block you =D
If I had to guess it’s to differentiate itself from the biggest „Europe” community that is pretty Zionist and to make Zionists feel unwelcome here, which is very based endeavour.
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