My thoughts exactly. Britain got targeted by Putin puppets before the rest of us did so they weren’t prepared. It’s easy to point fingers but I think recognizing the common threat and focusing on the future will get us further.
The conservatives ran with a vote as a manifesto item, planning to drop it when they had to form a coalition (they won however).
The government had used the EU as a whipping boy for their own problems.
There was a strong minority in the conservatives with a nationalistic bend.
A relatives element wanted out of the tax transparency laws the EU was enacting.
It turned into a popularity against Cameron, who wasn’t popular at that point.
No one thought leave would win, since it was such a shot in the foot. This meant a lot of people didn’t bother to vote against it.
The remain campaign was lackluster, while the leave campaign was impressive and shameless (this is where Putin likely put his foot in hardest).
The main opposition leader was also anti EU (for very different reasons) counter to most of the labour party, and so flopped around like a beached fish.
Basically, a nationalistic minority got it on the table (intended to shut them down for good). Lies and deceptions got it through, and the escape from tax laws put the bit between the teeth, as we got ran down by it.
A change at any point would have likely killed it, but here we are.
FYI, I would consider myself more in line with European right now than British. I’ll keep fighting, tooth and nail, to get us back in as soon as viable.
Thanks for the summary. What I think is important to note is that in Russia’s version of Project 2025 (published in 1997) the author had already announced it:
The United Kingdom, merely described as an “extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.”, should be cut off from the European Union.
The book also states plans for Germany and France that are interesting in the light of recent events:
Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe
France should be encouraged to form a bloc with Germany, as they both have a “firm anti-Atlanticist tradition”.
Bottom line is Brits aren’t more naive, nationalistic or what have you than the rest of us, we’ve just been assigned different roles by Moscow.
I think we are more prone to nationalism. We fundamentally have a moat between us and the rest of Europe. Our empire also wasn’t collapsed. Instead it morphed (under threat of collapse) into the commonwealth. That left us with a lot more soft power than would otherwise expected. There’s also a lot more nostalgia for the “good old days” than France or Germany seem to have.
There’s also a lot more nostalgia for the “good old days” than France or Germany seem to have.
There definitely was at the time but we’ve caught up since. Even in Germany despite what the “good old days” refer to here. The specific rhetoric varies between countries but ultimately this is just what happens when you rally morons and make them feel like they understand politics no matter the place.
My thoughts exactly. Britain got targeted by Putin puppets before the rest of us did so they weren’t prepared. It’s easy to point fingers but I think recognizing the common threat and focusing on the future will get us further.
It was a perfect storm event.
The conservatives ran with a vote as a manifesto item, planning to drop it when they had to form a coalition (they won however).
The government had used the EU as a whipping boy for their own problems.
There was a strong minority in the conservatives with a nationalistic bend.
A relatives element wanted out of the tax transparency laws the EU was enacting.
It turned into a popularity against Cameron, who wasn’t popular at that point.
No one thought leave would win, since it was such a shot in the foot. This meant a lot of people didn’t bother to vote against it.
The remain campaign was lackluster, while the leave campaign was impressive and shameless (this is where Putin likely put his foot in hardest).
The main opposition leader was also anti EU (for very different reasons) counter to most of the labour party, and so flopped around like a beached fish.
Basically, a nationalistic minority got it on the table (intended to shut them down for good). Lies and deceptions got it through, and the escape from tax laws put the bit between the teeth, as we got ran down by it.
A change at any point would have likely killed it, but here we are.
FYI, I would consider myself more in line with European right now than British. I’ll keep fighting, tooth and nail, to get us back in as soon as viable.
Thanks for the summary. What I think is important to note is that in Russia’s version of Project 2025 (published in 1997) the author had already announced it:
The book also states plans for Germany and France that are interesting in the light of recent events:
Bottom line is Brits aren’t more naive, nationalistic or what have you than the rest of us, we’ve just been assigned different roles by Moscow.
I think we are more prone to nationalism. We fundamentally have a moat between us and the rest of Europe. Our empire also wasn’t collapsed. Instead it morphed (under threat of collapse) into the commonwealth. That left us with a lot more soft power than would otherwise expected. There’s also a lot more nostalgia for the “good old days” than France or Germany seem to have.
It made us an easier target to manipulate.
There definitely was at the time but we’ve caught up since. Even in Germany despite what the “good old days” refer to here. The specific rhetoric varies between countries but ultimately this is just what happens when you rally morons and make them feel like they understand politics no matter the place.
now that you mention Putin i always think:
no we have plenty of Idiotic Thoughts ourselves, we dont need foreign interference(obv the Russians helped a a bit/a lot) for that. xD