Democrats today are more likely to say they want their party to become moderate than they were four years ago, according to a Gallup poll published Thursday. The survey, conducted in the first week of President Trump’s second term, gauged partisan preferences on the ideological direction of respondents’ respective parties. Among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, 45 percent say they want their party to become more moderate, while 29 percent say they want the party to become more liberal, and 22 percent say they want the party to stay the same.

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    I’m just amused how turning more fascist is considered moderate now in USA.
    Here the Democrats would be right wing, and Republicans are so far right we don’t have anything even close.
    There is nothing moderate in going to the right from Democrats by mostly any reasonable standard.
    US politics are insane, and the rhetoric has shifted together with that insanity to help normalize the insanity, or because insanity is normalized.

    What is moderate? A position so far to the right it’s way more right wing than Reagan? Reagan would be a democrat today, and you claim the terminology is to say moderate is between the 2 parties, when one is already right wing, and the other is fascist, that is simply not true. It is technically and literally false to call that moderate.

    If one party believes you should cut off the head for a simple minor theft, and the other only believe you should cut off the hand.
    Would you then really accept it as moderate to cut off the leg??

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/moderate

    kept or keeping within reasonable or proper limits; not extreme, excessive, or intense:

    Here even the Democrats are on the extreme right for failing to push for healthcare for all. Which is the ONLY reasonable stance, and adopted by every developed democracy except USA!! One of the richest countries in the world, yet with high poverty rates and homelessness. Because the country is extreme right, and now fascist.

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        Europe, EU, Denmark.
        There is no European party AFAIK that is so right wing psychos they want to end healthcare for all, and all European countries have it.

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            There are lots of great places, but except for the weather, I can’t think of a better society than what we have here in Denmark.

            But I know that feeling. I used to be in awe as a child and teenager of how cool USA was back in the 70’s. Technicolor, Star Trek, Mc Cloud, Columbo, the vibrant cities of New York and Los Angeles, and the air views on TV shows of skyscrapers and tiny cars below in the streets. The concept of American freedom.
            Just seeing an American stopped by traffic patrol, and having electric windows sliding down was AWESOME!! Everything about USA was cool. The colorful multi culture. I never saw a real life colored person until I was about 10 years old!! (incidentally an American visiting our family).

            Man how times have changed, USA has completely failed to progress since the late 70’s, or rather it seems like 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
            There was an optimism back in the 70’s, that everything would be better for everyone. Not so anymore, now it feels like it’s everybody for himself in USA. But in Europe, we are actually making steady progress, and have now surpassed USA as a free and fair society.

            But there are stellar Americans, there always were, and hopefully USA will soon return to a sense of progress and tolerance.
            I thought Obama symbolized that, but apparently it was short lived? And USA took the 2 steps back with Trump?!

            Anyways, I understand how you feel to some degree. but hopefully things will get better.

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              Our two-party first-past-the-post post-Citizen’s United system essentially guarantees we will never progress and it will always be a tug of war between two billionaire owned parties sliding to whatever policies the billionaires want.

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                Absolutely 100% this. I’ve been preaching this for decades. USA needs to modernize democracy from the ground up.
                As it is USA is not a functional democracy. And the blame for that is on both parties, for being happy about sharing the power, instead of pushing for true improvements.

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                  Honestly, I don’t think that’s possible. At least not for the USA as a whole. If we want that sort of drastic change the US will need to dissolve into several smaller countries.

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                    US will need to dissolve into several smaller countries.

                    I don’t think that’s entirely impossible, as it is now, the country is being torn apart by disagreement even hatred between blue and red states.

                    Compared to how EU works with a more democratic model, there’s a better balance between the countries, and veto right makes it so no EU country is pressured into anything, without having influence.