I mean it sounds like your judging Illinois by your experiences in east saint louis which is one of the worst places in Illinois. Also just south of there is the southern tip of Illinois. The part where it starts contracting to a point. That is honestly more like Kentucky than Illinois. Most people in the state don’t hate Chicago. I mean there are some but every state has folks that are like that. East of the mountains in California is sorta the same thing. North of Kankakee is far different than middle Illinois like urbana which is far different from that swampy southern area of the state. Anyway Illinois it likely more like Ontario than any other state although admittedly Minnesota may be the exception but only because the weather gives them an edge :)
I never really spent any time in East St. Louis. I worked in Belleville, Collinsville, Fairview Heights and Alton. I’ve been down south and up north and most of the middle of the state. I’ve lived in Minneapolis too, and a lot of other big cities both in the US and Europe. Minneapolis wasn’t my favorite either. I love Portland, San Francisco, Duesseldorf, St. Louis and Cincinnati. I’ll pass on most of southern California too. Paris is another one I’m not a fan of, but France overall is nice. I think it’s okay to have broad opinions based on your personal experiences. Obviously I’m not judging every individual. Some places just have a certain vibe.
I getcha. Even Champaign/Urbana is two very different places but I liked them each in their own way I feel they each complimented each other. All the specific places you mention though are basically that near saint louis and south of that I would attribute to the south of the state thing or the saint louis thing. Don’t get me wrong I like saint louis but illinois is basically the bad side of saint louis and its basically a small bit around that city. then that southern part of illinois you pretty much draw an east west line from the center of saint louis north/south and its south of that. Its funny because when on the road the highway takes a deep dive down and I swear you start hearing that music from deliverance.
I can’t quote your text on the android app I’m using, but talking about the deliverance music - you’re not wrong lol.
I’ve also spent a lot of time in rural places, not just big cities. And there are some amazing and wonderful hillbillies/rednecks whatever they call themselves. So welcoming and will spend half their day helping you out asking nothing in return. There are also some really terrible people in those nowhere swamps and hills. You don’t want to be stuck needing help with the wrong people around. [deliverance music continues]
Oh one more thing, I mostly agree about the places I worked being the bad side of St. Louis. Except Alton. Alton is a nice little town and has it’s own vibe. I haven’t been there in quite a few years but if it hasn’t gone way downhill it’s a nice place.
oh yeah and particularly with illinois there are some wonderful public spaces. Met this wonderful couple who managed the camping spots but like some ramshackle “motels” were scary as fuck.
I camp almost every time I have 48 hours away from work so if you have a campground recommendation I’d love to hear it. I’m currently in Cincinnati so all I have to do is get across the barren landscape of Indiana to get there.
Yeah now I’m generalizing another state. I think Indiana has really weird laws and is mostly boring but Indianapolis has a ton of energy. I go there for concerts pretty often. Geographically the only interesting places are near Lake Michigan and in the very south along the Ohio river where there are some hills. Clifty Falls is beautiful but the campground isn’t great. The town next to it - Madison, it’s like out of a movie, and one of the few places in that part of the state where both progressives and conservatives might feel very comfortable.
I mean it sounds like your judging Illinois by your experiences in east saint louis which is one of the worst places in Illinois. Also just south of there is the southern tip of Illinois. The part where it starts contracting to a point. That is honestly more like Kentucky than Illinois. Most people in the state don’t hate Chicago. I mean there are some but every state has folks that are like that. East of the mountains in California is sorta the same thing. North of Kankakee is far different than middle Illinois like urbana which is far different from that swampy southern area of the state. Anyway Illinois it likely more like Ontario than any other state although admittedly Minnesota may be the exception but only because the weather gives them an edge :)
I never really spent any time in East St. Louis. I worked in Belleville, Collinsville, Fairview Heights and Alton. I’ve been down south and up north and most of the middle of the state. I’ve lived in Minneapolis too, and a lot of other big cities both in the US and Europe. Minneapolis wasn’t my favorite either. I love Portland, San Francisco, Duesseldorf, St. Louis and Cincinnati. I’ll pass on most of southern California too. Paris is another one I’m not a fan of, but France overall is nice. I think it’s okay to have broad opinions based on your personal experiences. Obviously I’m not judging every individual. Some places just have a certain vibe.
I getcha. Even Champaign/Urbana is two very different places but I liked them each in their own way I feel they each complimented each other. All the specific places you mention though are basically that near saint louis and south of that I would attribute to the south of the state thing or the saint louis thing. Don’t get me wrong I like saint louis but illinois is basically the bad side of saint louis and its basically a small bit around that city. then that southern part of illinois you pretty much draw an east west line from the center of saint louis north/south and its south of that. Its funny because when on the road the highway takes a deep dive down and I swear you start hearing that music from deliverance.
I can’t quote your text on the android app I’m using, but talking about the deliverance music - you’re not wrong lol.
I’ve also spent a lot of time in rural places, not just big cities. And there are some amazing and wonderful hillbillies/rednecks whatever they call themselves. So welcoming and will spend half their day helping you out asking nothing in return. There are also some really terrible people in those nowhere swamps and hills. You don’t want to be stuck needing help with the wrong people around. [deliverance music continues]
Oh one more thing, I mostly agree about the places I worked being the bad side of St. Louis. Except Alton. Alton is a nice little town and has it’s own vibe. I haven’t been there in quite a few years but if it hasn’t gone way downhill it’s a nice place.
oh yeah and particularly with illinois there are some wonderful public spaces. Met this wonderful couple who managed the camping spots but like some ramshackle “motels” were scary as fuck.
I camp almost every time I have 48 hours away from work so if you have a campground recommendation I’d love to hear it. I’m currently in Cincinnati so all I have to do is get across the barren landscape of Indiana to get there.
Yeah now I’m generalizing another state. I think Indiana has really weird laws and is mostly boring but Indianapolis has a ton of energy. I go there for concerts pretty often. Geographically the only interesting places are near Lake Michigan and in the very south along the Ohio river where there are some hills. Clifty Falls is beautiful but the campground isn’t great. The town next to it - Madison, it’s like out of a movie, and one of the few places in that part of the state where both progressives and conservatives might feel very comfortable.